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Old 03-20-2013, 04:20 PM
 
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Well yes and no. I believe Homeland Security compared it to the amount IF entitlements were still given out.
They are able to tap into our welfare coffers through their U.S. born children. Who do you think covers the whole families healthcare and education if not the taxpayer? How about the added crime and those additional costs? How about the milions of Americans who have lost their jobs to them? Less stress on our natural and social resources if they weren't here also. Yes, it is cheaper to deport them.
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:11 PM
 
Location: CITY OF ANGELS AND CONSTANT DANGER
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He does not include a path to citizenship. The line they would get behind might only be a resident card holder line. but that would be contingent on securing the border, and once that is in place they would be vetted, pay fines, back taxes, wait the ten years (while keeping their nose clean) and then possibly be made a resident. they also would not be eligible for welfare or any non emergency program. they would not be able to sponsor relatives. etc etc. this seems like a decent enough solution. it seems that the opposition is very minimal. even on this board. the conversation is becoming more and more reasonable, and its about time. no more "sky is falling" hysteria and alarmism.
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Old 03-20-2013, 05:43 PM
 
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He does not include a path to citizenship. The line they would get behind might only be a resident card holder line. but that would be contingent on securing the border, and once that is in place they would be vetted, pay fines, back taxes, wait the ten years (while keeping their nose clean) and then possibly be made a resident. they also would not be eligible for welfare or any non emergency program. they would not be able to sponsor relatives. etc etc. this seems like a decent enough solution. it seems that the opposition is very minimal. even on this board. the conversation is becoming more and more reasonable, and its about time. no more "sky is falling" hysteria and alarmism.
I am opposed to allowing them to remain here because it not only makes a mockery of our immigration laws but we have 23 million Americans out of work and
we don't need millions added permanently to our society placing added stress on our natural and social resources.

Secure the border? Surely you jest. That is what was promised with the last amnesty and we can see how well that worked out.

Hysteria? Pro-illegals think that any facts presented about illegal immigration and it's negative impact is "hysteria". It's their way of playing down the situation and to soften one's opinion of illegal immigration. Sorry, it doesn't work on me. I am a realist and that doesn't make me hysterical or unreasonable.

Who's going to monitor all the paying of back taxes, fines, learning English, etc. and at what cost? Our government can't even seem to monitor visa overstayers. We are trillions in debt. Yeah, I'm a believer!

They're already eligible to tap into our tax coffers through their U.S. born children so that nips that in the bud, doesn't it?

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Old 03-20-2013, 05:50 PM
 
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Americans are getting weary of the fights. Illegals are destroying the workplace and ripping the social safety net to pieces while gays and lesbians are trampling on our morality and marriage customs. The people with their hands out have taken over the government. Politicians like Paul are compromising core values to get re-elected. There are just too many things going sour in modern America. Traditional Americans are getting too tired to fight it anymore.
Geez - you sound like Chief Joseph. Except he really really had something to ***** about.

It's logistically/financially impossible to send them all back. Put them at the back of the
line, make them pay restitution, and change our immigration laws to reflect the reality
of why they come.

Legalize marijuana for one, to reduce border violence and illegal immigration.
Without a marijuana monopoly trade, Mexican drug cartels will have no
incentives to violate U.S. laws.

Enforce a 'one strike, you're out' rule for immigrants who don't abide by our work visa programs.
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Old 03-20-2013, 06:30 PM
 
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Geez - you sound like Chief Joseph. Except he really really had something to ***** about.

It's logistically/financially impossible to send them all back. Put them at the back of the
line, make them pay restitution, and change our immigration laws to reflect the reality
of why they come.

Legalize marijuana for one, to reduce border violence and illegal immigration.
Without a marijuana monopoly trade, Mexican drug cartels will have no
incentives to violate U.S. laws.

Enforce a 'one strike, you're out' rule for immigrants who don't abide by our work visa programs.
No, it isn't logistically nor financially impossible. Remove the incentives for them to remain here and many will leave on their own. Also it is cheaper to deport them than to allow them to remain here.

So increase our legal immigration quotas to accomodate all the poor that want to come here? Otherwise what do you mean about changing our immigration laws? Change them to what? We know why they come. Many for jobs (of which we don't have) and many for benefits (of which we are being drained dry of).

Sorry, but it isn't only marijuana that is coming across our border but much harder drugs also.

We don't need anymore unskilled workers in this country so why would we need more worker visa programs?
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Old 03-20-2013, 07:05 PM
 
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Geez - you sound like Chief Joseph. Except he really really had something to ***** about.

It's logistically/financially impossible to send them all back. Put them at the back of the
line, make them pay restitution, and change our immigration laws to reflect the reality
of why they come.

Legalize marijuana for one, to reduce border violence and illegal immigration.
Without a marijuana monopoly trade, Mexican drug cartels will have no
incentives to violate U.S. laws.

Enforce a 'one strike, you're out' rule for immigrants who don't abide by our work visa programs.
Uh; deporting 100 percent of all illegal aliens would be real hard. Just deport 80 to 90 percent and the diehards WILL lay low, real low.
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Old 03-20-2013, 08:00 PM
 
Location: NJ
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He does not include a path to citizenship. The line they would get behind might only be a resident card holder line. but that would be contingent on securing the border, and once that is in place they would be vetted, pay fines, back taxes, wait the ten years (while keeping their nose clean) and then possibly be made a resident. they also would not be eligible for welfare or any non emergency program. they would not be able to sponsor relatives. etc etc. this seems like a decent enough solution. it seems that the opposition is very minimal. even on this board. the conversation is becoming more and more reasonable, and its about time. no more "sky is falling" hysteria and alarmism.
Correct. Paul demonstrated a very reasoned, balanced attitude.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:01 AM
 
Location: texas
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Correct. Paul demonstrated a very reasoned, balanced attitude.
How do you put the cork back into the champagne bottle? Once lawful status is achieved, and if Paul makes it to the presidency in 2016, how does his "plan" get implemented.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:05 AM
 
Location: texas
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Uh; deporting 100 percent of all illegal aliens would be real hard. Just deport 80 to 90 percent and the diehards WILL lay low, real low.
focusing on deportation now is like trying to stop a wedding six months after the couple have their first child...
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:15 AM
 
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focusing on deportation now is like trying to stop a wedding six months after the couple have their first child...
Nope. E-verify, NO gov't ID's for illegal aliens, English ONLY for gov't agencies including ESL in schools, take away birthright citizenship unless 1 parent is a US citizen, immigration holds by LE for ANY offense and so on. MOST illegal aliens WILL leave.
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