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Old 10-27-2007, 11:06 AM
 
Location: CA Coast
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Mexico is also supplying power to San Diego since the damage to the US transmission lines.

Based on some of the responses here undoubtedly there are those pleased by the illegals that got crispy crittered in the Harris Fire.

A side note, the modern nation state is a recent construct (19th century), perhaps it should go the way of the imperial empires. Think about the benefit to the human race if nationalism disappeared. Keep in mind that Nationalism, this "patriotic" jingoistic "love" of country is not a very old concept.

I like to keep in mind H.L. Mencken's statement, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel">
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Old 10-27-2007, 11:22 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Mexico is also supplying power to San Diego since the damage to the US transmission lines.

Based on some of the responses here undoubtedly there are those pleased by the illegals that got crispy crittered in the Harris Fire.

A side note, the modern nation state is a recent construct (19th century), perhaps it should go the way of the imperial empires. Think about the benefit to the human race if nationalism disappeared. Keep in mind that Nationalism, this "patriotic" jingoistic "love" of country is not a very old concept.

I like to keep in mind H.L. Mencken's statement, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel">
Define 'nation state', please.

France has had essentially the same borders since well before the 19th Century as had the 'Russia' part of the Soviet Union (ca. 1921-1991) as well as Great Britain AKA the union of England and Scotland. And there is China-----despite its coast being under Euro/Japanese control in the early 20th Century.

Germany and Italy are newer
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Old 10-27-2007, 11:31 AM
 
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How come my post to these brave guys---the VERY FIRST POST on this thread...gets kicked off for not using "English Only"---and yet I see words such as "gracias"--and "amigo"...and "vaya con Dios"....etc..?
OK, IN ENGLISH---Thanks, brave Mexican Fire Fighters, for your service to us here in the fire zone ..."Much Thanks", "Go With God"......
Your "Friend"....macmeal.....
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Old 10-27-2007, 04:20 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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France has had essentially the same borders since well before the 19th Century as had the 'Russia' part of the Soviet Union (ca. 1921-1991) as well as Great Britain AKA the union of England and Scotland. And there is China-----despite its coast being under Euro/Japanese control in the early 20th Century.
Traditionally, a nation-state is a specific form of state, which exists to provide a sovereign territory for a particular nation, and which derives its legitimacy from that function. The state is a political and geopolitical entity; the nation is a cultural and/or ethnic entity. Nation states appeared during the mid 19th century, a period of time known as "The Rise of Nationalism"

France and Russia and Britain were political entities, but not common cultural or ethnic entities. In France as late as 1800 only about half the population even spoke French. Russia had the same problem. Britain contained various ethnic groups, Welsh, Scots.

Portugal is an example of a long standing nation state, Belgium today is not a nation state.

Prior to the nation state were multi ethnic Empires, Britain and Russia are examples.

Land held by the modern nation state is held sacred, not to be given away or swapped.
In the modern nation state a common culture is imposed, usually by the state (patriotism is the act of supporting the imposed common culture) . One of the arguments here is that a different culture is rising, a culture not state sanctioned therefore invalid, that some of the new culture is illegal is irrelevant, the same complains would arise, and do arise simply because the rising culture is the product of a different nation state.

The future?; the nation-state may disappear with the ever-increasingly interconnected nature of the world. multinational corporations have little use for nation states.

example; Star Trek describes Earth as having gradually progressed into a united government, which is itself later but one in a federation of many planets.
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Old 10-28-2007, 02:23 PM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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Tragahumo ‘made in Mexico’ echan la mano en California - El Universal - El Mundo

CAMPO GILLESPIE, California

During the last five days. Rafael Carrillo has became an important figure because of his contribution to ease the fires. His assistance has earned the respect of his American partners.

Commanding a garrison of 34 Mexican firefighters, Rafael has became a tireless firefigher "Made in Mexico"

"A fire of this magnitude shrugs at the border" states this young but experienced mexican firefighter who since the past sunday decided to help the struggle of his American partners to face the worst fires in California's history.

"We are very tired, but we need to continue until we can end the fires for good" states this 34 year old man who is the subdirector of Tijuana's firefighter garrison.

"We haven't ceased facing the fires both sides of the border" he says meanwhile he takes a short pause at the Gillespie Camp, the camping zone and operations center that directs the efforts of about 6 thousand firefighters on south california.

Behind him lies a fleet of helicopters with water containers, which give the scenario a sense of urgency that shrugs at the border. Over a surface the size of almost eight football fields, lie thousands of tents, cargo containers, ambulatory hospitals and a lot of firefighter trucks from different places of the United States that are engaged in a fight against the clock with dozens of fieres.

"In the middle of this situation, that is still critic, we feel very satisfied by our job. We've been treated with a lot of respect and we've even been asked about some kind of techniques that we employ for the extinciton of forest firers" assures Michael Keley the official who made contact with the California's firefighter garrison.

Kieley, who has both American and Mexican citizenship is a key figure in the mission of joint cooperation with the United States.

His presence on the coordination conclaves where all the security garrisons participate together as the Homeland security department, has allowed to articulate the help of the Mexican garrison since the beginning of the operations.

¨We have 7 day collaboration agenda, but it's possible that we extend it because more than 60% of the fires are still uncontrolled" Carrillo assured, meanwhile he was coordinating the training labors of a second replacement team in Tijuana.

"we were working in two 12 hours shifts and in these moments we are focusing on the evacuation routs. We have to stop the fires before they reach Highways and secondary roads" he assured.

The labor of the Mexican garrison, that now share the risk and the fate of thousands of American firefighters and recsue teams, has counted with all the facilities to make their job.

"We didn't have any problem when we crossed the border. They understood that we came to help and because of that everything was made easy to us, pointing that even though all the members carried their passports with them, no one had to show them to the immigration agents in the San Ysidro broder crossing.

"It has been a cooperation climate that we are happy to share. And it is in this moments when we realize how much do we need each other. I wish it was always this way" assures the commander Rafael Carrillo, meanwhile he says goodbye to us because he needs to go to meet some men that have been of vital importance to suffocate and keep at bay the worst fires in the history of California.
From one firefighter to another. Thank You.

This story isn't about immigration. It's not about illegal aliens. It's about firefighters doing what firefighters do - fight fire. I apprechiate their efforts as well as I apprechiate all the firefighters on scene doing their job.
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