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Old 03-29-2013, 08:23 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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How does Mexico enforce their immigration laws, I've not seen any comparable level to the enforcement as we have in the United States...
I think you're right. Enforcement in Mexico is lax. One has to consider, also, the level of corruption at all levels of the Mexican government ... including law enforcement and the judiciary. Mexico acts "on demand." For example, there's a prohibition in the Mexican Constitution that foreigners cannot participate in political activities. That's very lightly enforced, however. Foreigners participate all the time. Marches, protests, violence. The Zapatista movement, the domestic terrorists affiliated with the EZLN, is made-up of many foreigners. It's bankrolled by foreign interests, not Mexicans. Many people from the USA live in Mexico in clear/open violation of immigration regulations. They're only punished when it serves someone in power's interests or when they're specifically complained about by someone. We could go on and on and on ... listing these things.
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Old 03-29-2013, 08:47 AM
 
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I think you're right. Enforcement in Mexico is lax. One has to consider, also, the level of corruption at all levels of the Mexican government ... including law enforcement and the judiciary. Mexico acts "on demand." For example, there's a prohibition in the Mexican Constitution that foreigners cannot participate in political activities. That's very lightly enforced, however. Foreigners participate all the time. Marches, protests, violence. The Zapatista movement, the domestic terrorists affiliated with the EZLN, is made-up of many foreigners. It's bankrolled by foreign interests, not Mexicans. Many people from the USA live in Mexico in clear/open violation of immigration regulations. They're only punished when it serves someone in power's interests or when they're specifically complained about by someone. We could go on and on and on ... listing these things.
May I refer you back to your post #11? You are contradicting yourself now. When the number of Americans living in Mexico by the millions at the poverty level are taking jobs and benefits from their citizens as Mexicans do in the USA come back and talk to us about it, ok?
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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You absolutely have no clue what Mexico is like if you seriously believe that Mexico would allow millions of impoverished Americans to simply move in and think they're going to stay there. Imagine our inner cities pouring into Mexico. No way would the racist Mexicans allow it.
Could you be any more "strawman"? That's an absolute pathetic response to my statement. Now do you see why I don't take you seriously?

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I don't have a source saved. Even a pro-illegal poster in here described how illegal aliens are treated in Mexico. I didn't see you challenging him. Why is that? Tell you what, prove Malkin wrong then with a link to a viable sources that disputes what she said.
First you tell me to search the forum to get a comparison. You don't have a source now, and want to deflect off your statement. I'm just asking how you are gaining a perspective that immigration enforcement is at a higher level in Mexico than the United States.

I expect the next response to be that I am "twisting" your words, so here is your complete quote again:

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Actually, I think we are comparable in our policies it is just that our immigration laws aren't enforced like Mexico enforces theirs. We are too PC in this country and greed and power overules it also. It will be our downfall.
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Old 03-29-2013, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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I hear that Obama is going to meet with Mexico's new president in Mexico in May. Boy would I like to be a fly on the wall on that one. One of the issues to be discussed will be the so-called CIR. Naw, on second thought I have a weak stomach.
I am sure he will be assuring the Mexico prez health care for all illegals and more food stamps. We have people still losing their homes, their jobs and we still feed the world first. Oh and don't forget the 8 million dollars the feds spent on....wait for it....puppets. Yes puppets.
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Old 03-29-2013, 02:40 PM
 
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Could you be any more "strawman"? That's an absolute pathetic response to my statement. Now do you see why I don't take you seriously?



First you tell me to search the forum to get a comparison. You don't have a source now, and want to deflect off your statement. I'm just asking how you are gaining a perspective that immigration enforcement is at a higher level in Mexico than the United States.

I expect the next response to be that I am "twisting" your words, so here is your complete quote again:
My source is from the many times it has been reiterated in here. I didn't feel it necessary to save those links. You are unable to search for them? Again, look at what was said by a fellow pro-defender of illegal immigants under this topic. His post is #11. I ask again why are you challenging me but not him?
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Old 03-29-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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My source is from the many times it has been reiterated in here. I didn't feel it necessary to save those links. You are unable to search for them?...
This has to be one of the silliest responses I've ever heard from you. When it gets this nonsensical, the rationality for your stance really disintegrates. It announces that you say and believe anything, whether you can prove the premise or not.

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...Again, look at what was said by a fellow pro-defender of illegal immigants under this topic. His post is #11. I ask again why are you challenging me but not him?
At least he seems to be able to support why he is making certain statements...
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Old 03-29-2013, 05:25 PM
 
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This has to be one of the silliest responses I've ever heard from you. When it gets this nonsensical, the rationality for your stance really disintegrates. It announces that you say and believe anything, whether you can prove the premise or not.



At least he seems to be able to support why he is making certain statements...
You're being a bit uncivil in your responses now. What's silly about it? The topic of Mexican enforcement of their immigration laws has been discussed in here many times. What is silly is that you won't bother to search for those topics or links and yet you deny their claims. Yet you say I believe anything? Where is the links to your rebuttal of them? How did he support his statements? I didn't see any links attached to his claims. However he is reiterating what has been disclosed and discussed in here several times.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:10 PM
 
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May I refer you back to your post #11? You are contradicting yourself now. When the number of Americans living in Mexico by the millions at the poverty level are taking jobs and benefits from their citizens as Mexicans do in the USA come back and talk to us about it, ok?
While poverty among hispanics in the USA is significantly above the average, I think you are exaggerating a little here. Using 2000 figures (I will post updates if I can find them). A total of 1.71% of Americans at the time were of Mexican ethnicity living below the poverty line. About the same ratio of Mexicans are poor as Puerto Ricans (who are US citizens).


2000
All USA 281,421,906 poverty level 33,899,812 12.4%
Mexicans 20,640,711 poverty level 4,814,500 23.5%
Puerto Ricans 3,406,178 poverty level 853,443 25.8%
Cubans 1,241,685 poverty level 177,935 14.6%
Other Ethnic Hispanics 10,017,244 poverty level 1,951,996 19.5%
Source: Bureau of the Census, U.S. Department of Commerce.

I mean what exactly do you expect? Almost all immigrants in America History were poor. That is generally the reason they are immigrants.
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Old 04-04-2013, 06:26 PM
 
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While poverty among hispanics in the USA is significantly above the average, I think you are exaggerating a little here. Using 2000 figures (I will post updates if I can find them). A total of 1.71% of Americans at the time were of Mexican ethnicity living below the poverty line. About the same ratio of Mexicans are poor as Puerto Ricans (who are US citizens).


2000
All USA 281,421,906 poverty level 33,899,812 12.4%
Mexicans 20,640,711 poverty level 4,814,500 23.5%
Puerto Ricans 3,406,178 poverty level 853,443 25.8%
Cubans 1,241,685 poverty level 177,935 14.6%
Other Ethnic Hispanics 10,017,244 poverty level 1,951,996 19.5%
Source: Bureau of the Census, U.S. Department of Commerce.

I mean what exactly do you expect? Almost all immigrants in America History were poor. That is generally the reason they are immigrants.
This isn't about "immigrants" it is about illegal aliens.
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Old 04-06-2013, 09:13 AM
 
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While poverty among hispanics in the USA is significantly above the average, I think you are exaggerating a little here. Using 2000 figures (I will post updates if I can find them). A total of 1.71% of Americans at the time were of Mexican ethnicity living below the poverty line. About the same ratio of Mexicans are poor as Puerto Ricans (who are US citizens).


2000
All USA 281,421,906 poverty level 33,899,812 12.4%
Mexicans 20,640,711 poverty level 4,814,500 23.5%
Puerto Ricans 3,406,178 poverty level 853,443 25.8%
Cubans 1,241,685 poverty level 177,935 14.6%
Other Ethnic Hispanics 10,017,244 poverty level 1,951,996 19.5%
Source: Bureau of the Census, U.S. Department of Commerce.

I mean what exactly do you expect? Almost all immigrants in America History were poor. That is generally the reason they are immigrants.
The difference is that in American history, the number of those below the poverty line significantly dropped by the generation even when children worked in factories. Granted hispanics are fairly new arrivals, I still doubt we will see any major drop in that, if anything an increase actually.
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