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Old 03-31-2013, 10:12 AM
 
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When I was a kid people who painted were called painters. Someone who farmed, a farmer. Someone who hoed beans? Ya, when did that become derogatory? The war of words is stupid.

The people that back the criminals have always been the ones that have pushed words as being hurtful. Even the word "illegal". Undocumented....... pallleeeze.

 
Old 03-31-2013, 10:39 AM
 
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No, they vote democratic because the gop is full of crazy people

Michelle bachmann

Mr. Akin

Even romney and lets not forget the people of the cpac advocating for being segregated again.


But i have to love the gop. They just keep talking and talking.
They voted for the PRI party for decades, even while their country got so bad for them that they had to flee it -- crossing a border doesn't change anything in voting attitudes. You admit they're not going to vote for anything but democrats anyhow so why act like this is going change anything? Keep in mind, these are people who claim to be against abortion and pro-family but they'll vote for the most pro-abortion candidate every time, and Clinton's adultery and perjurty didn't phase them in the least but they'll pretend great outrage over a word even though it's the same word their hero Cesar Chavez used.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 05:20 PM
 
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So? They use the term "mojado" all the time. It's not a racist slur word. It means "illegal alien" which is not a race at all.
Many African Americans use the n Word when communicating to each other. Using your logic it is alright to African Americans to be call the n word. If thatís the case try going to an African American neighborhood, whether it be a low, middle or upper class, and start calling them the n word, and if they get upset. Use your logic," n word mean african american ", it might save you from a beating. wiseguy
 
Old 03-31-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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Many African Americans use the n Word when communicating to each other. Using your logic it is alright to African Americans to be call the n word. If thatís the case try going to an African American neighborhood, whether it be a low, middle or upper class, and start calling them the n word, and if they get upset. Use your logic," n word mean african american ", it might save you from a beating. wiseguy
Uh; if certain people CAN'T use "N word", "W/B" or even "Redneck"; then NO people should be "allowed" to use those slurs. Tho Redneck ain't real bad in 2013; even some Black people are using that word about themselves.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 06:08 PM
 
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Many African Americans use the n Word when communicating to each other. Using your logic it is alright to African Americans to be call the n word. If that’s the case try going to an African American neighborhood, whether it be a low, middle or upper class, and start calling them the n word, and if they get upset. Use your logic," n word mean african american ", it might save you from a beating. wiseguy
"Mojado" or "wet one or back" is not used in the same way the "n" word was used -- it has no similarity whatsoever.

It's an outdated word for one -- it refers to how the day laborers used to come over on those rafts and inner tubes and really once applied to day laborers who crossed over and then went back home. It's actually a fairly old word because at one time since they went back home, it wasn't such a big deal that they came over to work odd jobs.

Before Medicaid, food stamps, Section 8 and so on, that is all the mojados wanted to do -- come and work for a few hours or the whole day and then go back home, they couldn't afford the high cost of living in the USA before the very generous welfare programs that they can now easily access simply by giving birth here.

Even when I first heard the word and saw how little water was in the river and how many came walking through the desert, I thought they should be called "wet ankles" or "dusty feet".

When blacks use the "n" word on themselves, it's not at all like Cesar Chavez referring to illegals as "wet....s", as he certainly did not view himself as some illegal alien. He used it to refer to the scabs breaking the strike the UFW called.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 06:27 PM
 
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Uh; if certain people CAN'T use "N word", "W/B" or even "Redneck"; then NO people should be "allowed" to use those slurs. Tho Redneck ain't real bad in 2013; even some Black people are using that word about themselves.

It’s not about who is allowed to use it or not. I don’t really know if there is a law, or a penalty about using it. Its more about what we know as a culture, that keep us from using it, we know that we will cause a degree of hurt and anger if we use it towards an African American, and is out of respect and empathy that we dont. Let say someone from another country (nonblack), grows up listening to rap music. And comes to America, and starts calling African Americans the n word. He will get a an unwanted reaction, and after this he wont do the same thing. In your case, you know Americas culture reality, if you use it, it will be with only one purpose, to cause anger and pain. The same thing applies to RN or WB. If you call a Mexican American WB, you might be disrespecting someone in is family, or his Mexican American culture. Besides everybody knows Wb is a derogatory word, just like beaner or cracker jack.

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Old 03-31-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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"Mojado" or "wet one or back" is not used in the same way the "n" word was used -- it has no similarity whatsoever.

It's an outdated word for one -- it refers to how the day laborers used to come over on those rafts and inner tubes and really once applied to day laborers who crossed over and then went back home. It's actually a fairly old word because at one time since they went back home, it wasn't such a big deal that they came over to work odd jobs.

Before Medicaid, food stamps, Section 8 and so on, that is all the mojados wanted to do -- come and work for a few hours or the whole day and then go back home, they couldn't afford the high cost of living in the USA before the very generous welfare programs that they can now easily access simply by giving birth here.

Even when I first heard the word and saw how little water was in the river and how many came walking through the desert, I thought they should be called "wet ankles" or "dusty feet".

When blacks use the "n" word on themselves, it's not at all like Cesar Chavez referring to illegals as "wet....s", as he certainly did not view himself as some illegal alien. He used it to refer to the scabs breaking the strike the UFW called.

Come on, stop twisting things around. Whatever Chaves said doesn’t makes right. It is not like if Chaves is the representation of all the Mexican American psyche. You are trying to give credibility to your personal believes by quoting Chaves. I can tell that you are an insensitive human being.
Now according to you, somehow African American are the only ones entitle to feel insulted and disrespected. in other words, Mexican illegals can be call whatever, because they lost their human feeling when they crossed the border, so its alright because they somehow are not humans anymore. Look wether legal or illegal, or if it is a law written in the constitution, it’s a derogatory word, and its purpose it to cause anger or pain, and at the same time it gives the one using it some kind of pleasure, doesn’t ?
Chaves died, you are talking about something that happen long time ago, George Washington used to call African American or African slaves the n word too, what it meant back then its what it means now. And the fact that he used it, does it make it right, now?
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:31 PM
 
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Come on, stop twisting things around. Whatever Chaves said doesnít makes right. It is not like if Chaves is the representation of all the Mexican American psyche. You are trying to give credibility to your personal believes by quoting Chaves. I can tell that you are an insensitive human being.
Now according to you, somehow African American are the only ones entitle to feel insulted and disrespected. in other words, Mexican illegals can be call whatever, because they lost their human feeling when they crossed the border, so its alright because they somehow are not humans anymore. Look wether legal or illegal, or if it is a law written in the constitution, itís a derogatory word, and its purpose it to cause anger or pain, and at the same time it gives the one using it some kind of pleasure, doesnít ?
Chaves died, you are talking about something that happen long time ago, George Washington used to call African American or African slaves the n word too, what it meant back then its what it means now. And the fact that he used it, does it make it right, now?
Well if it helps your day, I don't call them wet anythings because like I said it's an outdated term. It really applied more to the day workers who used to come over to work and then go back home. Those people were not getting welfare handouts or food stamps, and they weren't committing felony document fraud and using stolen identities. The day worker wasn't as much of a law breaker, nor did they intend to stay here forever or demand citizenship and free college.

The illegal today is a much less noble kind of person.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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Itís not about who is allowed to use it or not. I donít really know if there is a law, or a penalty about using it. Its more about what we know as a culture, that keep us from using it, we know that we will cause a degree of hurt and anger if we use it towards an African American, and is out of respect and empathy that we dont. Let say someone from another country (nonblack), grows up listening to rap music. And comes to America, and starts calling African Americans the n word. He will get a an unwanted reaction, and after this he wont do the same thing. In your case, you know Americas culture reality, if you use it, it will be with only one purpose, to cause anger and pain. The same thing applies to RN or WB. If you call a Mexican American WB, you might be disrespecting someone in is family, or his Mexican American culture. Besides everybody knows Wb is a derogatory word, just like beaner or cracker jack.
If one is an American of Mexican heritage (I detest the use of hyphenated nationalities) shouldn't they respect the immigraton laws of the USA the country they hold nationality in? How is it disrespectful to call a family member of theirs here illegally by this term? How is it disrespecting Mexican culture? Mexican culture is about breaking laws? I don't have a problem with the WB term when it is referring to how many illegal immigrants came here and applied to only them. Beaner however is not a respectful way to refer to anyone. Neither is the "N" word directed at blacks . Neither is it respectful to call white conservatives, rednecks or crackers.
 
Old 03-31-2013, 08:49 PM
 
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Come on, stop twisting things around. Whatever Chaves said doesnít makes right. It is not like if Chaves is the representation of all the Mexican American psyche. You are trying to give credibility to your personal believes by quoting Chaves. I can tell that you are an insensitive human being.
Now according to you, somehow African American are the only ones entitle to feel insulted and disrespected. in other words, Mexican illegals can be call whatever, because they lost their human feeling when they crossed the border, so its alright because they somehow are not humans anymore. Look wether legal or illegal, or if it is a law written in the constitution, itís a derogatory word, and its purpose it to cause anger or pain, and at the same time it gives the one using it some kind of pleasure, doesnít ?
Chaves died, you are talking about something that happen long time ago, George Washington used to call African American or African slaves the n word too, what it meant back then its what it means now. And the fact that he used it, does it make it right, now?
I personally don't care about any lawbreakers feelings or what they are called. What does that have to do with them being human? Illegals sure didn't care about the American people's feelings by violating our immigration laws. If the WB term is used to describe Mexicans that are here legally or that are citizens of our country then that's another story and I wouldn't condone that.
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