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Old 10-27-2007, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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AND I DO realize that it can't be as simple as it was in my gggggfathers day BUT it can be one helluva lot simpler then now. 15 yrs to citizenship is ridiculous

 
Old 10-27-2007, 06:54 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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I won't answer because it has nothing to do with Mexican illegals in our country. They do have social programs in their country.
The programs are great, that is why there is no armed peasant rebellion in Chiapas.
That is why you never see children coming out of one room dirt floored homes,
that is why there are no beggars,
that is why the workers at the fancy hotels the Americans stay in never live in cardboard shacks in the arroyos beyond the sight of the Americans and drown by the scores when the hurricanes hit.
That is why you never see families with retarded or autistic or handicapped children risking their lives to come to America where the kids can get treated

Yup, darned good social programs in Mexico.
 
Old 10-27-2007, 06:55 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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you are a poor, uneducated person in a country with almost no social programs. a neighboring country pays the equivalent of $50/hr for menial tasks. legally entering the country costs more money than you have (or have access to). do you continue to live in poverty, or attempt to find work?
You continue to live where you do - and work to change things within your own country
 
Old 10-27-2007, 06:58 PM
 
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You have to realize that many people in our country want chaos and criminals running all over the country. They can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that coming to this country is a coward's way out and nothing more.
 
Old 10-27-2007, 07:02 PM
 
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You continue to live where you do - and work to change things within your own country
the process would take longer than the immigration into the neighboring country. not sensible in the individual realm.
 
Old 10-27-2007, 07:03 PM
 
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You have to realize that many people in our country want chaos and criminals running all over the country.
source?

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They can't seem to get it through their thick skulls that coming to this country is a coward's way out and nothing more.
what do you base this statement off of?
 
Old 10-27-2007, 07:03 PM
 
Location: CA Coast
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I am speechless
 
Old 10-27-2007, 07:04 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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the process would take longer than the immigration into the neighboring country. not sensible in the individual realm.
Oh well -lots of good things are worth waiting for

Patience is a virtue - I think it will take too long to get that big screen TV I want - so, I will just take yours - Is that OK with you?
 
Old 10-27-2007, 07:06 PM
 
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GOOD QUESTION, GHOST !! If I were in this situation, here's what I'd do---(can't speak for others, only for myself)

I'd quietly sneak across the border----I'd keep my ears open, but my mouth shut----I'd be thankful to be there, and I'd go to great lengths not to annoy the locals, even if they were dumb and naive. I'd figure, "why rock the boat?", and I'd be so happy to be there that I'd start asking around as to how I might legally stay. To help in this, I'd make great effort to learn the local language. This is GREAT, I'd think...these people may not know how to cook what I like, or how to party, but boy do they have the jobs!

I'd go out of my way to try to figure out what these people had that was missing from "back home"....surely, they are only human, I'd reason; therefore, their prosperity must be a result of their system. I'd want to emulate and adopt that system as my own, so that I too could prosper.
One thing I certainly WOULDN'T do is get into public "spectacles"--the last thing I want, I'd figure, is to bring attention to myself in a negative way. I'd know that to show belligerance and disrespect for the locals (who might not all LOVE me, but surely were at least TOLERATING my presence) would threaten to "wear out my welcome", and I SURE wouldn't want THAT to happen. I'd ask myself, "what, if anything, can I do to ingratiate myself into this generous society so that they come to appreciate me?" I'd be especially careful to instruct my teenage children on how to behave.

That's what I'd do......
 
Old 10-27-2007, 07:06 PM
 
Location: southern california
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you are a poor, uneducated person in a country with almost no social programs. a neighboring country pays the equivalent of $50/hr for menial tasks. legally entering the country costs more money than you have (or have access to). do you continue to live in poverty, or attempt to find work?
i asked this question of my teacher in tiajuana a few years ago.*e went to school there 2 years)
he said that most of the people crossing are not from tj they are from other mexican states and that a lot of them already got a warrent out for their arrest in another state. the notion that everybody that crosses is a boy scout leader, according to my mexican doctor friend, just aint so.
by the way "the gateway" as san ysidro is called has caused many problems for tj, as tj used to be ok to live in now its dangerous cuz all the crooks are lined up on the edge ready to cross, in the the wait period they mug people in tj. so we have made to rough on tj by not enforcing the law.
does that help?
stephen s
san diego ca
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