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Old 01-26-2008, 04:11 PM
 
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While it is true that humans are territorial and that animals are territorial malamute, we can do better, because we aren't animals.

imho it is lower human nature, or ego what makes us territorial, but what bout our higher human nature, the soul? if we acted, thought and spoke more with the soul and less with the ego, this world would be a much better place
You've convinced me, Travelling fella! Sounds good....now if you can just convince 6.6 Billion OTHER people the way you did ME, we'll have it "made".... (In the meantime, I'm going to keep my MasterCard number a secret)....
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Old 01-26-2008, 05:02 PM
 
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Dear Malamute while it is true that humans are territorial and that animals are territorial malamute, we can do better, because we aren't animals.

imho it is lower human nature, or ego what makes us territorial, but what bout our higher human nature, the soul? if we acted, thought and spoke more with the soul and less with the ego, this world would be a much better place
That's how the old hippies thought -- but they didn't end up with all that peace and brotherhood.
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Old 01-26-2008, 10:51 PM
 
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Dear Malamute while it is true that humans are territorial and that animals are territorial malamute, we can do better, because we aren't animals.

imho it is lower human nature, or ego what makes us territorial, but what bout our higher human nature, the soul? if we acted, thought and spoke more with the soul and less with the ego, this world would be a much better place
If I met you on the street, I'd buy you a beer, TF. You seem to be a very nice person.

However, what you preach seems to be nothing more than utopian, somewhat religious socialism. While your attitude is applaudable, I'm afraid such a world that you desire can be realized only in a dream.

I won't argue biology with you (humans are indeed members of the family animalia), but we must accept ourselves for who we are. You yourself agreed that we are territorial. That is a fact. It can't be wished away. It can be ignored, but such ignorance will only spell doom for those who fail to see the world for what it actually is, as opposed to what one wishes it to be.
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Old 01-26-2008, 11:36 PM
 
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I consider ethnocentricism a basic fact of human nature, and it seems quite obvious to me that mass migrations create conflict instead of alleviating it.

Our current situation is basically two ruling white elites scratching each other's backs-- Mexico's white elite is ridding itself of inconvenient surplus peasants, and the USA's white elite accepts them in the belief that they will be more subserviant and useful than its former servant class has turned out to be.

Well, I'm not part of either of those ruling white elite classes, and their back-scratching is apt to cost me and my children a whoooole lot of money and heartache. I actually DON'T want to live in a country with a vast brown underclass ruled by a white elite.... but that's what we seem to be creating here.

Why anyone on the left thinks providing them all with government education and healthcare will stop this from happening is, anymore, beyond me.
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Old 01-27-2008, 12:24 AM
 
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I consider ethnocentricism a basic fact of human nature, and it seems quite obvious to me that mass migrations create conflict instead of alleviating it.

Our current situation is basically two ruling white elites scratching each other's backs-- Mexico's white elite is ridding itself of inconvenient surplus peasants, and the USA's white elite accepts them in the belief that they will be more subserviant and useful than its former servant class has turned out to be.

Well, I'm not part of either of those ruling white elite classes, and their back-scratching is apt to cost me and my children a whoooole lot of money and heartache. I actually DON'T want to live in a country with a vast brown underclass ruled by a white elite.... but that's what we seem to be creating here.

Why anyone on the left thinks providing them all with government education and healthcare will stop this from happening is, anymore, beyond me.
So very true.

I'm always puzzled by the supemicist claims made by hispanic activists as to the impending "browning of America." So what? What will hispanics do then? I'm sorry, but if hispanics think that by becoming a majority, they can "vote" themselves into prosperity, they sadly have been lied to.
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Old 01-27-2008, 12:41 AM
 
Location: Bradenton, Florida
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population density.

When our population density hits the same levels it was at in 1959, perhaps THEN we could shoulder more of an immigration burden. Otherwise you get into the Malthusian argument, which, simply stated, says that we don't have enough resources to feed all the people we have if the population keeps expanding.
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Old 01-27-2008, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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So very true.

I'm always puzzled by the supemicist claims made by hispanic activists as to the impending "browning of America." So what? What will hispanics do then? I'm sorry, but if hispanics think that by becoming a majority, they can "vote" themselves into prosperity, they sadly have been lied to.
Even the 'browning of America' is a sad farce unto itself------their Indian ancestors were raped, etc. by the 'White' Spanish conquistadors------yet, today's Mestizos have embraced the culture of the White Supremacist Hispanics.
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Old 01-27-2008, 09:42 AM
 
Location: The world, where will fate take me this time?
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If I met you on the street, I'd buy you a beer, TF. You seem to be a very nice person.

However, what you preach seems to be nothing more than utopian, somewhat religious socialism. While your attitude is applaudable, I'm afraid such a world that you desire can be realized only in a dream.

I won't argue biology with you (humans are indeed members of the family animalia), but we must accept ourselves for who we are. You yourself agreed that we are territorial. That is a fact. It can't be wished away. It can be ignored, but such ignorance will only spell doom for those who fail to see the world for what it actually is, as opposed to what one wishes it to be.
Why thank you my friend! I'd gladly return the favor with huge shiny smile straight from my heart

It might sound utopian, but I'll share a bit more of my life with you, I live by that truth, I just keep going from place to place like the wind, trying to do good and think good, it doesn't matter where I am, there is always a friend, and things just happen.

Barriers and borders exist, but they are easily dissolved with an honest smile, a kind thought and good actions, at least in my life's experience it has been this way.

Right now I'm in the middle of Brazil for example, you can stay here for 3 months, and then you can ask for another 3 months, this even if you have an artist's visa, but when I went to the federal police (kind of the brazilian version of the inmigration and naturalization deparment) I just said the truth, that I'm having success as an artist in this country and that I fell in love with a brazilian girl but I still don't want to marry or have children, I asked her (the head of the federal police of the city I was) if there was any way to legally extend my permission and she looked straight into my eyes and told me hmmmm the only thing you can do is go to paraguay or the nearest border, get your passport sealed and then come back, that way you have more 3 months and you can extend for another 3 months, after you do that you just need the promoters do the paperwork to renew your artist visa

Love is the light that will dissolve barriers between people, families and nations.

I know that most migrants do things that are completely wrong, I don't even call myself a migrant, because I'm more a nomad LOL, but someone has to start, if it's not them be you the change you want to see in this world!!

नमस्ते - Namaste

Which means, my spirit salutes yours!
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Old 01-27-2008, 10:08 AM
 
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I know that most migrants do things that are completely wrong, I don't even call myself a migrant, because I'm more a nomad LOL, but someone has to start, if it's not them be you the change you want to see in this world!!

नमस्ते - Namaste

Which means, my spirit salutes yours!
But most people aren't. To me you have to find the model that fits human nature -- or it will come undone.

Look at the Soviet Union where they tried to force together different countries, cultures, peoples. It took a strong-armed government and it fell apart after 45 years.

Look at all the big empires. They require too much military might against the people and they don't last.

Good fences make for good neighbors -- it's when each side respects their borders and their neighbors' right to exist as they like.

Trying to force all people into one harmonious culture, language, world-without-borders is not a very happy thought because it would require force. In a merged nation -- whose language and culture dominates? A one-sized-fits-all government --- but will it be in Mexico DF or Washington DC?

I'm a countryist. Let the Canadians be Canadians, the Americans be Americans, and the Mexicans be Mexicans.
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Old 01-27-2008, 08:08 PM
 
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Living near the border, my opinions on illegal immigration are negative. I have had students say they were illegal and refuse to stand up in class for the pledge of allegiance. His reason for not standing was that he was told by his parents that he didn't have to say the Pledge of Allegiance because he was Mexican. I also had another student say that he never wants to become an American. I have had students give me reasons for their misbehavior that I was white and didn't speak Spanish. My principal commended the students for this comment. These children get their viewpoints from their parents. Kids just don't come up with things on their own.

Other motivations include a high number of Mexican gangs in this area make me fear for my safety. I actually stopped wearing makeup and try to go out in old clothes so Mexican men won't stare at me. One time one came up to me and said something to me in Spanish. I never go out at night by myself anymore because I don't feel safe here.

Another motivation is quality of life. If you go into a public restroom here, it is so disgusting that you just try to wait until you get home to use the bathroom. I have seen things I have never seen when I was living in an area where there were few illegals such as used toilet paper on the floor. I mean the toilet is right there, why throw it on the floor!!!
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