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Old 04-15-2013, 03:49 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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[quote=Oldglory;29136107]Please provide a link to your claims about the 400,000 crossing illegally each year and with a breakout of how many are Canadians and how many are Mexicans or other Latinos.

If an illegal immigrant is allowed to remain here and adjust their status within our borders instead of returning home and applying like everyone else that is amnesty. Paying fines, back taxes, etc. has nothing to do with that.

Approx. 55 million across the USA/Canadian border. 350 million across the USA/Mexico border. Give or take a few million. I found the information by using the search engine, you have the opportunity to do the same.


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There was a double-layered fence approved by congress for our southern border awhile back since that is where most of the illegals are coming through but it was never funded by congress. Go figure.
Contact your U.S. Senator/Congressman.

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What job opportunites are Americans declining? Whatever taxes illegals are paying does not cover their social costs. Consider any refunds you think they should be entitled to as partly covering those costs. All anti-illegals support punishment for the employers also and e-verify. However, illegal immigrants are just as guilty so they should be deported one way or another not rewarded.
Three examples of jobs without "Americans" applying in sufficient numbers: construction trades, meatpacking, farm labor. What do you think the tax payments from the illegals amount to? What social costs are you speaking of? What refunds are you talking about? You seem to favor employers ... who are the reason illegals are able to earn money to stay here. If there were no jobs offered by the employers there'd be no illegals, or very few who could afford to stay. Dry-up the source of work and the problem is greatly minimized. That's the quickest way to stop the flow/retention of illegal aliens. They'd self-deport for the most part.

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If an illegal immigrant is allowed to remain here and adjust their status within our borders instead of returning home and applying like everyone else that is amnesty. Paying fines, back taxes, etc. has nothing to do with that.
You must be one of the people writing the regs in Washington, because, otherwise, you wouldn't know with such certainty what the proposals/regulations will be. And I disagree with your statement that these things don't have anything to do with your self-defined term of "Amnesty."
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:41 PM
 
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Please provide a link to your claims about the 400,000 crossing illegally each year and with a breakout of how many are Canadians and how many are Mexicans or other Latinos.

If an illegal immigrant is allowed to remain here and adjust their status within our borders instead of returning home and applying like everyone else that is amnesty. Paying fines, back taxes, etc. has nothing to do with that.

Approx. 55 million across the USA/Canadian border. 350 million across the USA/Mexico border. Give or take a few million. I found the information by using the search engine, you have the opportunity to do the same.




Contact your U.S. Senator/Congressman.



Three examples of jobs without "Americans" applying in sufficient numbers: construction trades, meatpacking, farm labor. What do you think the tax payments from the illegals amount to? What social costs are you speaking of? What refunds are you talking about? You seem to favor employers ... who are the reason illegals are able to earn money to stay here. If there were no jobs offered by the employers there'd be no illegals, or very few who could afford to stay. Dry-up the source of work and the problem is greatly minimized. That's the quickest way to stop the flow/retention of illegal aliens. They'd self-deport for the most part.



You must be one of the people writing the regs in Washington, because, otherwise, you wouldn't know with such certainty what the proposals/regulations will be. And I disagree with your statement that these things don't have anything to do with your self-defined term of "Amnesty."
If you found that info by searching then post your source. You're the one who made the claim.

Please provide sources that Americans aren't applying for jobs in construction, meat packing ,etc. As for farm labor how many times does it have to be repeated in here that there are unlimited visas for foreign, legal farm workers?

I don't know where you are getting the idea that I favor these greedy employers. Over and over again I have said that the employers must be punished and that e-verify needs to be implemented to stop their illegal hiring practices. Over and over again I have said we should remove the incentives for illegals to remain here and that includes jobs, benefits and birthright citizenship. So what are you talking about?

I am a regular American. I have no ties to Washington nor am I a writer. Where have I said that I know what the proposals will be? That is supposed to be released tomorrow. Whatever it is if it includes allowing them to remain here without returning to their homelands to apply to come legally then I vehemently oppose that.

You said that illegals are paying in taxes that they aren't getting back thus my reference to refunds. Here are a couple of sources showing how much they are costing our country. Want more? I have plenty more sources.

Dallas hospital cares for illegal immigrants - NBCNightlyNews | NBC News

Illegal Aliens in Los Angeles County Cost Taxpayers 3 Billion Dollars Annually | An Angeleno's View of the World

Most Illegal Immigrant Families Collect Welfare | Judicial Watch
FactCheck.org : Tax Credits for Illegal Immigrants

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Old 04-15-2013, 04:48 PM
 
Location: Springville, AL
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The only thing we, as citizens can do is open our mouths when we know of illegal people. Call it in. Let ICE investigate it.
Other than that, we are powerless. Our gov doesn't seem to want to seek them out and fix this mess. The ones with anchor kids? Well, deport the parents and give the parents the option of taking the kids with them or putting them in an orphanage or the foster care system.
I think orphanage is obsolete today but foster care system exist.
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:53 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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1. The TSA has nothing to do with border protection.

2. Regarding "control": The USA has 12,479 of coastal "borders." 13 states share a 3,987 mile border with Canada. 4 states share a 1,933 mile border with Mexico. Approx. 400,000,000 people legally cross the USA borders with Canada and Mexico each year. How do you propose securing that much territory?

3. There is no proposal I am aware of for "amnesty" if you mean someone's violation of the immigration law in the past will be ignored without penalty.

4. Yes, illegal immigration costs us jobs, in some sectors ... but provides workers in other sectors where current U.S. residents decline those employment opportunities. Illegal aliens, for the most part pay employment and sales taxes and many, maybe most do not enjoy the full benefits of what they're paying for. Having said that, I favor strict and realistic enforcement and stern punnishment for employers who are the magnet for the illegal aliens.
lol don't include canada look at ur name
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Old 04-15-2013, 04:59 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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The Border Issue and Aliens

Did you ever consider that "closing the borders" is tantamount to accepting a "Berlin Wall" keeping Americans IN?

It would be far more effective to eliminate the enticements for illegal aliens to enter the U.S.A. End all socialist entitlement programs, freebies, and stop penalizing the employment of American labor. If American employers had zero taxes and zero regulations, what benefit would there be in hiring “undocumented workers”?
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Old 04-15-2013, 09:14 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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"Socialist entitlement programs"? Which are you referring to, in our democratic form of government? And, yes, heavily penalize ... imprison employers, for encouraging the influx of illegal aliens. Stop the attraction and the influx will stop .. and I've said that for years. I'd be for a wall across the USA Mexico border with several approved immigration control points ... if that were a workable/realistic thing to do. But some may call that "socialistic" or "communistic."
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