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Old 04-12-2013, 07:30 AM
 
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According to the news once the new immigration reform bill passes MOST of the current 11-20 million illegal aliens in America will be legal immediately. What do you think about this?

The media, and it's corporate masters, is trying to confuse the issue by talking about a path to citizenship for the 11-20 million current illegal aliens. They say the illegals will have to pay a fine, learn English and have a clean background to become a citizen.

I SUSPECT that the majority of the current illegals really don't care much about being a US Citizen, instead, they just want to live legally in America so they can work and have a higher quality of life than they did in Latin America or other Third World Countries they came from. The instant legalization they will get from the Comprehensive Immigration Reform will allow them to have their dream of living and working in America legally.

What do you think about the plan for instant legalization for the 11-20 million Illegal Aliens?

If you support comprehensive immigration reform do you support the instant legalization of all illegal aliens once the bill is passed? How about the current illegals who:

Just arrived here
Took someone else's identity to work in America
Did not pay income taxes because they had taken someone else's identity
Are in a immigration prison currently
Are in jail currently but are to be released soon (after the bill is passed)
Drove illegally
Had committed minor crimes
Have a current deportation order
Came back to America after being deported
Are collecting some type of welfare
Are unemployed
Speak no English at all

What should be done with the current illegal aliens that fit in the group above? I am particularly interested in hearing from people who support comprehensive immigration reform.
Last time we did amnesty only 40% went on to become citizens. Generally people who want citizenship fall into a few categories such as people who wish to sponsor other family members to come to the USA or people who want to travel or get certain jobs that require it. Since you have to take the civics test in English many who don't need it don't bother with it. It is actually cheaper in the long run because you have to pay to renew a green card while citizenship is a one time fee. I don't know why more people don't become citizens. I know people in Chicago that have lived here for 50 years and never become citizens.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:34 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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I just can't understand how anyone could support this ?!?!?
Well, if you are racist or have family coming across illegally you would support it.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:38 AM
 
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At least you gave us your opinions. So many things that I indicated you said would be on case by case basis. With up to 20 million illegals applying how are we going to process all these appeals for special cases? The devil is in the details on this one with so many grey areas it will be a mess.

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Interesting thread. Good discussion. I listed my responses in bold.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:43 AM
 
Location: On the Group W bench
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You're right actually. It makes sense to just deport them.
This is what I don't understand. Aren't we deporting people already? And if so, why haven't we deported all of them?
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:44 AM
 
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At least you gave us your opinions. So many things that I indicated you said would be on case by case basis. With up to 20 million illegals applying how are we going to process all these appeals for special cases? The devil is in the details on this one with so many grey areas it will be a mess.
These same people who are for amnesty aka CIR obviously don't care about the costs involved in processing them but they have a hissy fit about the costs of deporting them. Even Homeland Security has admitted that it is cheaper to deport them than to allow them to remain here.
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:45 AM
 
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I believe the new law says ONLY illegal immigrants that have been here BEFORE 2012 will have the access to citizenship (not guaranteed) and rest will be deported as illegal immigrants...
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Old 04-12-2013, 08:49 AM
 
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I believe the new law says ONLY illegal immigrants that have been here BEFORE 2012 will have the access to citizenship (not guaranteed) and rest will be deported as illegal immigrants...
Well, most illegal aliens arrived here prior to 2012 so what is the point?
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Old 04-12-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Phila Pa
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To answer the OP's question, I support instant legalization on a "temporary basis" for those that have not been involved in any non-civil criminal activity. Permanent legal status has to be earned through being able to maintain employment, pay fines, taxes and learn English.
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Old 04-12-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: North Texas
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I do not support amnesty/path to legalization/path to citizenship of any kind.
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Old 04-12-2013, 11:25 AM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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Here's a supporter for you:

“Politicians know that if they stand in the way of citizenship we will steamroller them,” AFL-CIO director of immigration Ana Avendaño said, according to the Financial Times. “That’s a fun evolution.”

AFL-CIO: We Will 'Steamroller' Any Lawmaker Who Opposes Amnesty

Apparently some union leaders don't care about anything but making them citizens

You hit the nail on the freaking head. And some people don't think or consider the consequences of said action. Or the cost that is going to be associated with this.

Reminds me of lunatic Pelosi, just pass the bill, well these people want us to just accept this nonesense, consequences of said actions, we will find out after the fact. Then it is too late.

This is all a bunch of bull, and not taking into account the feelings of Americans who are so not on board with this crap they are feeding us.

And this is so not fair, to all those people who did believe in the concept of becoming citizens of our Country the right way.
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