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Old 04-12-2013, 12:07 PM
 
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You don't have to be a supporter of Comprehensive Immigration Reform to undwerstand that the term " legal immediately" has no concept in reality.

You can If you want to, argue that IF a CIR bill is passed, then those seeking to become citizens would be allowed to remain in the US without worry of deportation till their cases with Immigraion is resloved.

Most would say...It doesnt make much sense to ask them to provide information as to their presence here in the US and ask that they follow a process of legalization, only to deport them prior to their completion of the process.

This reform is Legalization. Legalization takes a process. If CIR passes and is signed into law, then it will become the law of the land.
What part of the proposed law forces an illegal immigrant to start the legalization process? Who makes them get out of bed and go down to the local immigration office to seem the path to citizenship?

Yep. It was that easy to tear apart your lame argument.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:24 PM
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According to the news once the new immigration reform bill passes MOST of the current 11-20 million illegal aliens in America will be legal immediately. What do you think about this?

The media, and it's corporate masters, is trying to confuse the issue by talking about a path to citizenship for the 11-20 million current illegal aliens. They say the illegals will have to pay a fine, learn English and have a clean background to become a citizen.

I SUSPECT that the majority of the current illegals really don't care much about being a US Citizen, instead, they just want to live legally in America so they can work and have a higher quality of life than they did in Latin America or other Third World Countries they came from. The instant legalization they will get from the Comprehensive Immigration Reform will allow them to have their dream of living and working in America legally.

What do you think about the plan for instant legalization for the 11-20 million Illegal Aliens?

If you support comprehensive immigration reform do you support the instant legalization of all illegal aliens once the bill is passed? How about the current illegals who:

Just arrived here
Took someone else's identity to work in America
Did not pay income taxes because they had taken someone else's identity
Are in a immigration prison currently
Are in jail currently but are to be released soon (after the bill is passed)
Drove illegally
Had committed minor crimes
Have a current deportation order
Came back to America after being deported
Are collecting some type of welfare
Are unemployed
Speak no English at all

What should be done with the current illegal aliens that fit in the group above? I am particularly interested in hearing from people who support comprehensive immigration reform.
What about LEGAL immigrants whose green cards are about to expire? Should they pay the $450 to get an extension? Or will the "fine" be lower than that? Curious, as I know someone who fits this definition.
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Old 04-12-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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To answer the OP's question, I support instant legalization on a "temporary basis" for those that have not been involved in any non-civil criminal activity. Permanent legal status has to be earned through being able to maintain employment, pay fines, taxes and learn English.
Great, you are just the type of person I want to respond. I don't support the amnesty but wonder what they are going to do with all the people who one of the issues in my first posting applies to. (Which I suspect is about half of the current illegal aliens.)
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:15 PM
 
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I do not support amnesty/path to legalization/path to citizenship of any kind.
You should.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: texas
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These same people who are for amnesty aka CIR obviously don't care about the costs involved in processing them but they have a hissy fit about the costs of deporting them. Even Homeland Security has admitted that it is cheaper to deport them than to allow them to remain here.

It is not just the cost, the major headaches in deportation is the logistics. The mobilization of a police force to arrest, detain, process, and deport 11 million people is enourmous.

It easy to think simple thoughts of the smooth transition of 11 million people out of the US, but fairytails should be left to child like persons.

If deportation was such a easy task...it would have been proposed, passed, and accomplished by now.

No. Your just gonna have to live in reality and understand CIR will be the law of the land? You could always take a nap and dream sweet thoughts of deprotation...but reality will still be there for ya.
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Old 04-12-2013, 03:53 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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So, let me see if I've got this straight.

There are two groups who want to come and stay permanently in this country, starting right away:

1.) Illegal aliens. The only qualification needed to be in this group, is a demostrated willingness and ability to violate U.S. law by coming in and/or staying illegally.

2.) Legal visa applicants. The people in this group, respected and obeyed U.S. law, filled out all the proper forms, and have been patiently waiting inside their own country for their visas and permissions to come in.

And this so-called "Immigration reform" bill, proposes to give the first group (who violated our laws) what they want and let them stay permanently, and keep the second group (who respected and obeyed our laws) out?

Ummm... did this bill originate from the pages of The Onion?

Shouldn't we be letting in the second group, and keeping out the first?

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Old 04-12-2013, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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secure the border before passing any criminal illegal immigration.
Maybe you are not aware of the details but the government says they will need 10 years to do that but we will grant amnesty now and worry about the border "later".

Isn't that what Reagan was told too ?

Then you have Janet saying the border has never been so secure.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:18 PM
 
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You should.
What for?
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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It is not just the cost, the major headaches in deportation is the logistics. The mobilization of a police force to arrest, detain, process, and deport 11 million people is enourmous.

It easy to think simple thoughts of the smooth transition of 11 million people out of the US, but fairytails should be left to child like persons.

If deportation was such a easy task...it would have been proposed, passed, and accomplished by now.

No. Your just gonna have to live in reality and understand CIR will be the law of the land? You could always take a nap and dream sweet thoughts of deprotation...but reality will still be there for ya.
And you don't see the costs, paperwork, background checks, monitoring back taxes and learning English as a hurdle at all to legalizing millions of illegal aliens?

No, deportation could be very easy. Detain them as they are found and give them 72 hours to prove they are in this country legally. If they can't meet that demand then out you go!

CIR isn't a reform of our laws even though it implies that. There will no new "law of the land". It is amnesty pure and simple.
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Old 04-12-2013, 04:26 PM
 
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To answer the OP's question, I support instant legalization on a "temporary basis" for those that have not been involved in any non-civil criminal activity. Permanent legal status has to be earned through being able to maintain employment, pay fines, taxes and learn English.
That would eliminate most of them. ID theft is a felony. Since we have 23 million Americans out of work how do you propose they get jobs to support themselves? Allow them to retain jobs that Americans have needed or allow them to compete for what jobs there are left?
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