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Old 04-16-2013, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Notice that I said "illegal aliens", not "immigration", despite neither being mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. The terms of a process for naturalization in the Constitution should not be confused with immigration (at the time, certain classes could immigrate, but not naturalize, and those naturalizing were not classified to how they had immigrated). Naturalization wasn't uniform, and local judges presided over the granting of citizenship in cases where the conditions were not satisfied.
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Old 04-16-2013, 11:23 PM
 
Location: Exeter, NH
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The way the poll is worded, you are only given two options: continue having all the illegal immigrants here illegally, or having these same people be eventually officially recognized.

It does NOT allow anyone to indicate that they want illegal immigrants (which undercut citizen's pay and take jobs, and increasing police and judicial costs) to go home. This can easily be done by fining the businesses that hire them, and denying the welfare and education benefits plus instant citizenship for their "anchor babies," but the federal government WANTS as many immigrants as possible. The Republican's so-called opposition to illegal immigration has always been a joke--not once has any Republican administration tried to do anything that would work. The massive staffing and money for monitoring the border from Mexico is all about the idiotic Drug War; no sane person would think we could stop illegal immigration by physically stopping every individual trying to cross the incredibly long border.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:00 AM
 
Location: California
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Notice that I said "illegal aliens", not "immigration", despite neither being mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. The terms of a process for naturalization in the Constitution should not be confused with immigration (at the time, certain classes could immigrate, but not naturalize, and those naturalizing were not classified to how they had immigrated). Naturalization wasn't uniform, and local judges presided over the granting of citizenship in cases where the conditions were not satisfied.
It doesn't matter what you said, the immigration process is mentioned in the USC. Congress has control over who and how naturalization works. It's that simple. Are you really going to go back 220 years ago? Even in 1790 Congress mandated that there be a 2 year residence prior to granting citizenship, where the local magistrate could decide if the person was a paupers, vagabond, or fugitives from justice they could be denied residence and citizenship.
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Old 04-17-2013, 08:43 AM
 
Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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I see comprehension and understanding isn't being followed. Where does it say they should be rounded-up? All it says is the same as what has been said, illegals should be deported, period. That doesn't mean to round them up, it simply means to deport them as they are caught instead of releasing them back into the public ala what ICE did with 2,000+ just recently.

They would only need to be caught to be deported.
Most or all should be deported. Again they would have to all be rounded up before they could all be deported. We are already deporting illegal immigrants as they are caught. That would not be a new policy.
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Old 04-17-2013, 11:24 AM
 
Location: California
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Most or all should be deported. Again they would have to all be rounded up before they could all be deported. We are already deporting illegal immigrants as they are caught. That would not be a new policy.
I agree most or all should be deported.

Again they only need be deported when they are caught. Law dictates that they be deported when caught, policy allows for them to not be deported when caught. Why not simply follow the law, which is what is being suggested, instead we are following policy, which goes against what we are discussing and is the crux of the problem.
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:57 AM
 
Location: United States
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The Associated Press article is the only source I have for that number. I can understand why you might be skeptical. But 36% of the respondents did identify with the Republican Party. More then a few of them would have had to answer in favor to get the number up to 60%. Don't you think? Unless you think the answers were almost 100% along party lines.
With the upcoming fight over comprehensive amnesty you can rest assured that the majority of voters will grow to support the DREAM Act.
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Old 10-24-2013, 07:38 AM
 
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With the upcoming fight over comprehensive amnesty you can rest assured that the majority of voters will grow to support the DREAM Act.
I seriously doubt that. Many Americans do not support rewarding their immigration law breaking parents by allowing their kids to remain here. Next would be the parents demanding that they be able to remain here also with the sob story of separation of families. That would mean then that many if not most illegal aliens would be amnestied then. Ain't gonna happen.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:14 AM
 
Location: United States
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I seriously doubt that. Many Americans do not support rewarding their immigration law breaking parents by allowing their kids to remain here. Next would be the parents demanding that they be able to remain here also with the sob story of separation of families. That would mean then that many if not most illegal aliens would be amnestied then. Ain't gonna happen.
Recent polling and the results of national and local elections tell us that undocumented migration is not one of America's most pressing issues.

When we see a conservative majority in both houses of Congress then we can assume that most Americans care.
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Old 10-24-2013, 08:20 AM
 
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Recent polling and the results of national and local elections tell us that undocumented migration is not one of America's most pressing issues.

When we see a conservative majority in both houses of Congress then we can assume that most Americans care.
Uh; some "liberals" DON'T want any kind of amnesty for illegal aliens either. Sheesh!
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Old 10-24-2013, 09:06 AM
 
Location: United States
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Uh; some "liberals" DON'T want any kind of amnesty for illegal aliens either. Sheesh!
Most progressives have no problem welcoming undocumented migrants to our shores. It is smart to grow your political base thus your political power.
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