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Old 12-09-2013, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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You will find that there are many pro-illegals who try to justify illegal immigration into our country today based on the past and of course that gives them the chance to demonize long ago dead white Europeans and we alive today are supposedly guilty by race also. They live in the past even though the U.S. and every other country on this planet has internationally recognized borders, not imaginary lines. That is just one of the reasons that amnesty would be a mistake because many who are of that mindset are illegal aliens that have also showed no respect for our borders. What is even more disturbing is that many of their supporters who are citizens of this country are of that same mindset also.
What amnesty, this amnesty? .......

Next time you hear someone say the Senate immigration bill is "amnesty," show them this
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Old 12-09-2013, 12:37 PM
 
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IMO, anything that allows illegal aliens to remain here without returning to their homelands first and applying to come back legally (waiting in line) is amnesty. The line to come here legally begins in an immigrants homeland not on our soil. Sorry, if you disagree.
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Old 12-09-2013, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Vegas
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Amazing how the OP brings up a poll conducted in Jan 2013. Here's the story @ AP-GfK Poll: Most back path to citizenship for illegal immigrants as Republican opposition declines | Associated Press GfK Poll

What is also interesting is that nowhere can I find out exactly what questions were asked!!!

Sort of like - "When did you stop beating your wife?"

The Lefties tout the results but don't give out enough information to make an independent judgement.

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Old 12-09-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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So then 60% of Americans directly support treason. Interesting.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:05 PM
 
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Amazing how the OP brings up a poll conducted in Jan 2013. Here's the story @ AP-GfK Poll: Most back path to citizenship for illegal immigrants as Republican opposition declines | Associated Press GfK Poll

What is also interesting is that nowhere can I find out exactly what questions were asked!!!

Sort of like - "When did you stop beating your wife?"

The Lefties tout the results but don't give out enough information to make an independent judgement.

You're right and what ethnic group/party affiliation were the most polled? Reading your link I find this which indicates biasness and many untruths such as suggesting that our ancestors came here illegally. Ask an indian? Our nation isn't a nation of illegal aliens but a nation of legal immigrants. How does building a nation with immigrants "and Americans" while opposing illegal immigration show disrespect for America's history?

"One poll participant, Nick Nanos, 66, of Bellmore, N.Y., said that providing a way for illegal immigrants to become citizens would respect America’s history as a nation built by immigrants.
“We act as if our grandparents got here legally. Don’t want to ask a single Indian about that,” Nanos said in a follow-up interview. “I don’t think that most of us can solidly come to a point where our grandparents or great-grandparents or great-great-grandparents were here legally. What does that even mean?”
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:31 PM
 
Location: TX
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Why can't we just boot out all the ex-cons who are released from prison after serving a sentence for murder, rape, child molestation, and top-tier aggravated assault and let them be replaced one by one with immigrants without a criminal history? Maybe that would speed up the process of our current "path to citizenship" (which must be laughable, if so many would rather sneak in)? That, and legalize some or all of the drugs that enable those illegal immigrants who do have a criminal history to actually make a living for themselves (selling drugs) here. If we're going to address this issue, it's time to get serious. Instead of just b****ing about it or making broad generalizations of the harms of illegal immigration in general. You know. Fix it.
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Old 12-09-2013, 03:55 PM
 
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Sounds like these peope support redistributing income from poor citizens to illegals. How do they justify that?
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Old 12-09-2013, 04:05 PM
 
Location: USA
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I don't believe 60% say yes to allowing illegals to become citizens without penaltys..

Last edited by Rubi3; 12-09-2013 at 04:21 PM..
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Old 12-15-2013, 09:52 PM
 
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I don't think they knew what they were really answering. People generally want to be kind, and imagine an immigrant in their shoes, that's noble, in its own way, but they forget that illegal immigrants don't, in general, work for the same wage that citizens do, and must use social services to survive. This means your wages get dropped, maybe not in dollars-per-hour but in time, as businesses compete for lower costs and higher profits. If Pedro will work for company A for less than minimum wage, company B needs to keep up or go under. But if Pedro likes eating, he needs money, probably from welfare, and that means increased taxes somewhere along the line, so if you offer amnesty, you are faced with similar issues, different distribution. Now Pedro needs to be paid 7.5 an hour, but since he helped cut costs before, and no one wants to pay more (or can afford it), now he gets only 20 hours a week instead of 40. Where will he get the money to feed his family? Oops.

Also, it's important to note polls are a terrible way to gather information. Only people who are interested in polls answer them, so you self-select for an audience of very pasaiobate people. In addition, question wording, demographics, even the order of questions can massage any answer you like. "Do you support amnesty for all undocumented workers?" And "do you think anyone should have the right to become a citizen?" Are very different questions.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:19 PM
 
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They support Valedictorians or really smart illegals.

But for every smart one you have 100 that are public charges.

Look at the academic attainment of illegal Mexicans. It is below other immigrants.

Also the legal immigration is 1 million per year. The public doesnt want to double or triple that like the immigraiton bills almost always do to get GOP donors on board.

They'd support amnesty if you stopped the legal massive third world immigration as an alternative.

"End game is muscular enforcement, illegal pop shrinks some but most still here, then swap amnesty for cutting legal imm by 1/2"

"Yes, cut Immigration from 1 million/year to 500K - most of them spouses & minor kids of US citizens"
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