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Old 01-16-2014, 09:20 PM
 
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Never left it, no wonder you have so much ignorance and fear towards those from elsewhere.



Yes. The concept of "American jobs" is complete crap. Jobs are jobs and should be available to the best workers that want them, not just the ones who happened to be born in a certain area. More competition is ALWAYS a good thing for society overall.
That's your opinion there. What would YOU do if you had to fight for a job from someone from India or some place that'd be willing to work for MUCH less money IN the US? IMHO you be madder than hell.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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Absolutely. Fines for failing to use E-verify need to be stiff and mandatory. No exceptions. I normally include the following and I didn't for that post.

Including joe cheapskate homeowner who is too cheap to hire a licensed contractor. The same applies to the cheap snobby mommy's.
Unfortunately, you run into the problem of proving the employer knew their employee
was an illegal. Turning off the magnets is really the most effective way.

1. National work card with biometrics.
2. Felony level punishment and stiff fines for employers not verifying their employees with #1, period.
3. End birthright citizenship
4. Parents of illegal immigrant children must pay for public education, the way some American parents would be made to pay if they scammed an address so their kids could go to the adjacent school districts better schools. If they don't pay, the school would remand the expense to the governors office.
5. Require every local police department have employer spot checkers who can go into a business and request the employer provide work card verifications for all the employees present. This would be their sole job purpose.
6. Track all visas entry and exit.
7. Double the size of interior enforcement.
8. Whole vehicle image scanners at all border checkpoints, in all lanes.
9. Require everyone to carry mini passport cards when they cross border back
into U.S.. For minors, parents or authorized guardians should have child registered
on their passport or some sort of verifiable parental authorization notice with them.
10. Allow citizens to sue the government if in some way they have experienced a personal or financial loss at the hands of an illegal immigrant, and subsequently their employer after a follow up investigation.
11. Establish a guest worker program, with limits based on clear unedited unemployment figures for that specific job category and that specific region.
12. Raise minimum wage to a level where on average a single parent working full time can afford to pay no more than 2/3 of their net salary on the average national fair market rent level.
13. Allow persecuted illegal immigrants to sue their employers without reprisal of deportation while their suit is in progress, during which they would receive unemployment compensation. The employer would be required to cover 2/3 of this cost, the rest to the Feds.

Do the above and problem solved.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:50 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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Yes, I like to ask question about why farmers prefer to hire illegal immigrants or refuse to check on visa, however if they say because of cheaper labor and maximize the profits - really no excuse but if they say about red tape with visa; so we could fix the flaw that help to cut the red tape on work visa.

I have been in around farmland in my state and saw a lot of immigrants work in the farm - in northern-central part of Alabama.
That "red tape" your talking about is the requirement for farms to house and feed their workers. Just work the expense into their pay, what's the problem. Maybe their worried about liability risk along the lines of the residential shacks falling in onto their beloved workers while they slumber.
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Old 01-16-2014, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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For all of you that proclaim that somehow we would be
eviscerated as a nation if we lost our cheap labor.

It's not if we could live without them, it's if they could
live without us.
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Old 01-17-2014, 07:03 AM
 
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Who has a fear of someone from elsewhere? This is about violating our immigration laws not a fear of foreingers. If that were so then we wouldn't allow in a million legal foreigners a year.

Yeah, the reason that wages have been reduced for many blue-collared jobs is directly due to the influx of millions of illegal foreigners willing to work for cheap and that's a good thing? Those jobs are getting scarcer due to competition from these illegal foreingers also. How anyone can think this is a good thing for the American worker is beyond my comprehension.

If the citizens of any country should have less rights in their own country than illegal foreigners then what is the point of having borders and without borders a country ceases to exist.
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Old 01-17-2014, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Metropolis
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Who has a fear of someone from elsewhere? This is about violating our immigration laws not a fear of foreingers. If that were so then we wouldn't allow in a million legal foreigners a year.

Yeah, the reason that wages have been reduced for many blue-collared jobs is directly due to the influx of millions of illegal foreigners willing to work for cheap and that's a good thing? Those jobs are getting scarcer due to competition from these illegal foreingers also. How anyone can think this is a good thing for the American worker is beyond my comprehension.

If the citizens of any country should have less rights in their own country than illegal foreigners then what is the point of having borders and without borders a country ceases to exist.
Exactly,

Are we a nation state or not?

If we are then there must be borders to that nation state.

The reason for borders is to distinguish one nation amongst all the other nations, hence
the human beings within a nation must be assigned in some way to that geographic designation.

Hence citizenship.

So I guess the question becomes; What value do we place on citizenship?
If no real VALUE is placed on citizenship, then I suppose that extends to there
being no real VALUE to the nation.
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Old 01-22-2014, 06:40 AM
 
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Why doesn't the OP ask if these people are eager to see millions more uneducated, low-skilled labor flowing into this country, and more manufacturing jobs head to china:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/22/bu...obless.html?hp

States Cutting Weeks of Aid to the Jobless
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I'd wager that most Americans don't know the demographics if the illegals.
All they hear about are the dreams..the kids in college.
That makes up a tiny portion though.

The majority are uneducated (5th grade), and have little to no skills.

It's not lawyers and engineers sneaking across the border here.
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Old 01-23-2014, 05:46 AM
 
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I'd wager that most Americans don't know the demographics if the illegals.
All they hear about are the dreams..the kids in college.
That makes up a tiny portion though.

The majority are uneducated (5th grade), and have little to no skills.

It's not lawyers and engineers sneaking across the border here.
Agreed. The MSM "lies by omission".
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Old 01-23-2014, 04:44 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I wonder if the 60% were aware of what constitutes an aggravated felony if they would have said let them stay?
This sight lays it out pretty well.
Crimes That Will Make an Immigrant Deportable | Nolo.com
Take note as you read all the crimes that are supposed to result in deportation...
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