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OK, I may have read the article wrong. I'd like to see the actual poll details, but I can't even seem to find the poll on the Ipsos web site. Which seems kind of strange to me.
Well it wouldn't help much. How many of those 23 million Americans do you really think would accept jobs as fry cooks, janitors, maids, gardeners, crop pickers, etc.? I can tell, not many. Or they would already be employed there, instead of the illegal workers. The ones that would accept those jobs, would expect much higher wages, and they would get what ever they asked for. Since there would be no one else still here to do the work.
Which means that if we got rid of all the illegal workers today. We would see only a very moderate decrease in the unemployment rate. At the same time there would be massive vacancy rates in low minimum wage jobs. We would have hyperinflation like this country has never seen before. Especially grocery prices as crops rot in the fields for lack of qualified people to pick them. Businesses owned by American citizens would be closing left and right, for lack of employees to keep them running. Massive amounts of foreclosures of homes left vacant by the mass exodus of workers from the country. Real estate prices would plummet, and that would just be the start.
That´s only a portion of the picture. The GDP would plummet from losses in production. We would be importing everything...and I do mean everything because we nearly do already.
Quite frankly, this country would be like Greece, little production and a huge reliance on real estate.
Some people think that the country will magically stay a world player when nobody really needs the American Dollar to buy anything anymore. Loss of production goods will only cement that.
That´s only a portion of the picture. The GDP would plummet from losses in production. We would be importing everything...and I do mean everything because we nearly do already.
Quite frankly, this country would be like Greece, little production and a huge reliance on real estate.
Some people think that the country will magically stay a world player when nobody really needs the American Dollar to buy anything anymore. Loss of production goods will only cement that.
The GDP is already being reduced by -.1% per year due to illegals. Your claim it would plummet defies all major economic gurus out there, to include the Progressive Paul Krugman.
This countries production would not change. You have no idea of economics or the illegal immigration issue. All you are doing is espousing Progressive rhetoric.
The GDP is already being reduced by -.1% per year due to illegals. Your claim it would plummet defies all major economic gurus out there, to include the Progressive Paul Krugman.
This countries production would not change. You have no idea of economics or the illegal immigration issue. All you are doing is espousing Progressive rhetoric.
Ah yes, the UCLA study. They gave a current number regarding benefits being paid out (-.3 GDP vs .2 GDP in)..it wasn´t a post deportation number as the subject at hand.
Not adding the part about the currency devaluation when domestic production decreases is a pretty big deal.
I know economics pretty well..enough to understand what a number means and when it should be used.
The whole premise of that study was that immigration reform..or what some posters in here call Amnesty being a 1.5 trillion dollar benefit to GDP. Go figure
Ah yes, the UCLA study. They gave a current number regarding benefits being paid out (-.3 GDP vs .2 GDP in)..it wasn´t a post deportation number as the subject at hand.
Not adding the part about the currency devaluation when domestic production decreases is a pretty big deal.
I know economics pretty well..enough to understand what a number means and when it should be used.
The whole premise of that study was that immigration reform..or what some posters in here call Amnesty being a 1.5 trillion dollar benefit to GDP. Go figure
You know economics well enough to make assumptions based on hyperbole. You claim domestic production will decrease yet you haven't and can not show it.
The study you refer to is what the Progressives use to claim that illegals increase GDP by $1.5T, which has been disproven by numerous economic gurus. The author of that study isn't even an economist.
You know economics well enough to make assumptions based on hyperbole. You claim domestic production will decrease yet you haven't and can not show it.
Sorry, you are using the wrong study. My study is from Hanson showing that illegals cost the GDP-.1% at the number that was used in 2009. [url]http://www.migrationpolicy.org/pubs/hanson-dec09.pdf[/url]
The study you refer to is what the Progressives use to claim that illegals increase GDP by $1.5T, which has been disproven by numerous economic gurus. The author of that study isn't even an economist.
Hanson can hardly be considered an economist. He is more of apolitical pundit judging from his political essays and his numerical values come from decade and older material.
GPD loss from deportation range form -.5 to 1.X % GPD.
[url=http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/immigration/news/2011/09/29/10375/10-reasons-why-immigration-reform-is-important-to-our-fiscal-health/]10 Reasons Why Immigration Reform Is Important to Our Fiscal Health | Center for American Progress[/url]
Hanson can hardly be considered an economist. He is more of apolitical pundit judging from his political essays and his numerical values come from decade and older material.
GPD loss from deportation range form -.5 to 1.X % GPD.
Look at that, as I said Progressive and Libertarian ideas. Your links all use the Hinojosa claim, who isn't even an economist. Hinojosa has already been proven inaccurate.He is the one using data from the late 1980's to the early 1990's. Hinojosa makes assumption based on that time frame. Hinojosa made and used assumptions to come to his conclusions.
Hansons materiel isn't from decades old material, Most of the material he used was from within a few years of the report as published.
While google may be your friend, comprehension of the data doesn't seem to be your forte'.
OK, I may have read the article wrong. I'd like to see the actual poll details, but I can't even seem to find the poll on the Ipsos web site. Which seems kind of strange to me.
Well it wouldn't help much. How many of those 23 million Americans do you really think would accept jobs as fry cooks, janitors, maids, gardeners, crop pickers, etc.? I can tell, not many. Or they would already be employed there, instead of the illegal workers. The ones that would accept those jobs, would expect much higher wages, and they would get what ever they asked for. Since there would be no one else still here to do the work.
Which means that if we got rid of all the illegal workers today. We would see only a very moderate decrease in the unemployment rate. At the same time there would be massive vacancy rates in low minimum wage jobs. We would have hyperinflation like this country has never seen before. Especially grocery prices as crops rot in the fields for lack of qualified people to pick them. Businesses owned by American citizens would be closing left and right, for lack of employees to keep them running. Massive amounts of foreclosures of homes left vacant by the mass exodus of workers from the country. Real estate prices would plummet, and that would just be the start.
Your assumptions and spinning tales of doom don't count as fact. Why did you mention crop pickers again? Yes, most Americans won't pick crops as a career but there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign crop pickers. So you were saying? Doesn't matter anyway. Employers have no right to hire illegal immigrants even if this phoney argument that Americans won't do those jobs were true. Read this slowly....it is against the law to hire illegal immigrants. Got it now?
The chart you provided about jobs illegals are holding are all jobs that Americans have always done so what is your point? No amnesty. We need to free up those jobs for Americans.
Pure speculation. Wages in AG have very little effect on end cost of produce. Fuel cost increases have a much greater effect on end cost to consumer. some ag workers already make as much as $25 per hour based on their production rates. Crops wouldn't rot as farmers would change crop to less labor intensive and mechanize. This has already been shown and proven by farmers doing just that in Georgia as recent as the past couple years.
You have read into the hyperbole and drank the cool-aid. Everything you have claimed has been debunked by top economists already.
Yes it is speculation, because never before in history have 20 million people ever been deported from one country at one time. That type of mass migration of people has only happened in times of war, and it usually hasn't gone smoothly. To put it in perspective the roundup Japanese Americans during WW2 involved only 120,000 people. This operation would be 200 x bigger, and the Japanese were 99% cooperative. There is no guarantee that 20 million illegal immigrants would be that cooperative.
Again it's just not going to happen because its not possible. If you people could get that though your heads, then we might be able to come up with a real solution to the problem.
Yes it is speculation, because never before in history have 20 million people ever been deported from one country at one time. That type of mass migration of people has only happened in times of war, and it usually hasn't gone smoothly. To put it in perspective the roundup Japanese Americans during WW2 involved only 120,000 people. This operation would be 200 x bigger, and the Japanese were 99% cooperative. There is no guarantee that 20 million illegal immigrants would be that cooperative.
Again it's just not going to happen because its not possible. If you people could get that though your heads, then we might be able to come up with a real solution to the problem.
E verify, no more birthright, NO ID for illegal aliens even for Dream Act people and so. Most illegals will go back home.
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You have no idea of economics or the illegal immigration issue. All you are doing is espousing Progressive rhetoric.
