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Old 04-16-2013, 02:14 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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For the illegals, anything short of going through what the current legal immigrants are going through is amnesty. Plain and simple.
From what I understand of the proposals ... in addition to the punitive and other things the illegal aliens must comply with ... is the fact that after they do those things they then go to the end of the line, behind the persons who've complied with the laws and are or have been waiting in line for consideration to be awarded U.S. citizenship. There is no 'line jumping' from what I understand.
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Old 04-16-2013, 02:42 PM
 
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From what I understand of the proposals ... in addition to the punitive and other things the illegal aliens must comply with ... is the fact that after they do those things they then go to the end of the line, behind the persons who've complied with the laws and are or have been waiting in line for consideration to be awarded U.S. citizenship. There is no 'line jumping' from what I understand.
Line jumping happens at the moment their status becomes legal which is effectively being granted green card. All legal immigrants must apply for that legal status aka green card through long draw out process which often involves tens of thosesands of dollars and 10+ years of family separation, uncertainty and loss of career advancement opportunity.

After green card, they still need 5 more years to become citizens.

How is the current bill not amnesty and not jumping the line?
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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Line jumping happens at the moment their status becomes legal which is effectively being granted green card. All legal immigrants must apply for that legal status aka green card through long draw out process which often involves tens of thosesands of dollars and 10+ years of family separation, uncertainty and loss of career advancement opportunity.

After green card, they still need 5 more years to become citizens.

How is the current bill not amnesty and not jumping the line?
Plus, how do we go about removing those that don't qualify? Once given the "blue" card or whatever color it is how do we go about removing those that don't make the cut?


It appears it is just a free pass and this has no more teeth in it than for Visa overstays. Epic fail.
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:14 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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How is the current bill not amnesty and not jumping the line?
It's not, judging by the information published thus far by the sponsors. But, if you've convinced yourself it is ... I suspect that no amount of discussion - or language in the proposed legislation - or explanation from the legislation sponsors - will change your mind. Let's see what the language is.
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Old 04-16-2013, 03:18 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Plus, how do we go about removing those that don't qualify? Once given the "blue" card or whatever color it is how do we go about removing those that don't make the cut?


It appears it is just a free pass and this has no more teeth in it than for Visa overstays. Epic fail.
I'm thinking that one way to regulate their (the illegal's) presence ... is to severely punish employers who violate the regulations or break the law by employing persons who've been flagged in the database for overstaying or for other reasons of non-compliance with the regs/law. After the first several employers go to jail ... others will think twice about interferring.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:20 PM
 
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It's not, judging by the information published thus far by the sponsors. But, if you've convinced yourself it is ... I suspect that no amount of discussion - or language in the proposed legislation - or explanation from the legislation sponsors - will change your mind. Let's see what the language is.
If you apply for the temporary legal status and are approved- pretty much everyone will- you have the right to stay in America, travel and work and all old transgressions are forgotten. That would be a dream to the millions of people who can't make it here and are sitting in a third world hell hole in Africa or Asia and can't beat the system because they live too far away. The ones who figured out how to make it here by swimming across the river come out ahead. It's not fair or right!
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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If you apply for the temporary legal status and are approved- pretty much everyone will- you have the right to stay in America, travel and work and all old transgressions are forgotten. That would be a dream to the millions of people who can't make it here and are sitting in a third world hell hole in Africa or Asia and can't beat the system because they live too far away. The ones who figured out how to make it here by swimming across the river come out ahead. It's not fair or right!
No. It's not "fair" that someone can ignore the law. We said that when Ronald Reagan advocated, and granted amnesty to illegal aliens. So, tell me ... how do you propose to effectively seal our borders? In the meantime, the Congress will be debating the proposals the "8" will put forward. Proposals which, it's being reported, lay-out a fairly extensive and lengthy process for a "path." Before that, yes, there's a registration process and employers are supposedly going to be punished for luring illegals and not adhering to employee verifications. We can either continue to look the other way on this issue, or attempt the best regulations we can write.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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What La Raza wants is UNLIMITED immigration from the hispanic nations. They want absolutely no restrictions, no limitations for any hispanic wanting to come here for the good easy life.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:42 PM
 
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I'm thinking that one way to regulate their (the illegal's) presence ... is to severely punish employers who violate the regulations or break the law by employing persons who've been flagged in the database for overstaying or for other reasons of non-compliance with the regs/law. After the first several employers go to jail ... others will think twice about interferring.
That and cut off all government handouts including food stamps and Medicaid and Section 8 housing vouchers for the children of illegals.

No one is going to have a single ounce of pity for the cheap labor employers who refuse to pay decent wages and job benefits. The employers and traffickers are pure scum. That is where the focus should be.
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Old 04-16-2013, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Illegal border crossings increase in 2013.
Border control says apprehensions are up 13% so far this year (2013).
Congress can't seem to get numbers out of DHS now as DHS claims the metrics are not done to share with Congress or the public.

Illegal border crossings leap ahead of immigration bill - Washington Times
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