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Old 04-22-2013, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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All aliens are illegal. The term alien means just that...something that is alien to a nation. There is such a thing as illegal entry into a nation. There is also the illegal over staying of a welcome when the visa expires...There is lots of that. The term undocumented suggests that they are legal but simply have not been processed or documented YET. What illegal is going to step forward and submit to processing in order to create documentation?

The only way this can be accomplished is to have the authorities breech their own laws. If they stuck to their laws once a person was found out to be guilty of illegal entry - the law would dictate that deportation would have to take place. There is the problem...You are talking about billions of dollars spent on deportation.

I know in Canada if a visitor who enters legally with a visa - but stays long after the visa has expired are supposed to be sent back if are caught. The deal is here- we give them a free plane ticket - a ride to the airport and 2000 dollars in start up money. Some simply leave for the two grand.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:19 AM
 
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They are illegal criminals. What part of "they broke the law" do you not understand. And no we certainly NEVER need to give citizenship to someone that would enter our borders illegally.
Exactly. Their first interaction with our country is to break our laws and it's an insult to immigrants who have the patience and respect for our country to come here legally.

Amnesty is like catching a carjacker and letting them keep the car.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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Could it be that your government has crunched the figures and has figured out that they don't want to spend the money? Maybe it's just not in THEIR budget to deport---after all rich elites that sit in Washington are famously cheap when it comes to handing out money...especially their own or public money they consider their own...Someone might have to take a pay cut if money was spent on curing the problem of illegal entry and occupation.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:21 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Well they bypass the official points of entry so that would be an illegal act.... why else would there be an official entry point into the US...and Mexico?

If you don't hold US citizenship you are then an alien.... as described in many fish and game laws which differentiate between 'out of state' and 'aliens'. Though I note that NJ has eliminated the 'alien license' wording.

'Unregistered democrats' is the term i like best.

Solve all the problems by annexing Mexico. Shorter southern border to guard.

Mexico has exponentially far stricter imigration/visitor rules than the US. Just about every violation of any kind includes the default phrase....imprisonment and fines.

The US should have the same enrty rules as Mexico.

Of course all this applies to the northern border of Mexico while what happens onthe southern border is pure speculation. So if the federales shoot an illegal the labeling of that late interloper is of no consequence

"The law also ensures that:
  • immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
  • foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
  • foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
  • foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned, then deported;
  • foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned then deported;
  • those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.
  • the mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset the equilibrium of the national demographics.
  • if outsiders do not enhance the country's economy, or national interest, or are not found to be physically or mentally healthy, they are not welcome, neither are those who show contempt against national sovereignty or security; they must not be economic burdens to society, and have clean criminal history; those seeking to obtain mexican citizenship or legal status, must show birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass a medical exam, and prove they can provide their own health care.
  • illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishableby two years in prison, document fraud is subject to a fine and imprisonment, so is alien marriage fraud; evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years imprisonment; foreigners may, and will be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at any litigation.
  • law enforcement at all levels, by national mandate, must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations; the mexican military is also empowered and required to assist in immigration enforcement operations, to act at their discrecion. native-born mexicans are equally empowered to make citizens arrests of illegal aliens, and turn them in to authorities.
  • foreigners must carry the citizens identity card, those who do not possess all the proper documents and identification will be subject to arrest as illegal aliens.
Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or
General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country's immigration policy."
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Pluto's Home Town
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Exactly. Their first interaction with our country is to break our laws and it's an insult to immigrants who have the patience and respect for our country to come here legally.

Amnesty is like catching a carjacker and letting them keep the car.
Surprisingly good one liners in this thread.

I agree. I am tired the damn hispanic community trying to intimidate everyone. They are illegal, because they broke the law. Enough said.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:28 AM
 
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The correct classification is illegal or undocumented immigrant.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Lower east side of Toronto
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When a soft headed liberal uses the term undocumented..They are stating that they are legal citizens similar to what took place with Italian immigration after WW2...Italians were called WOPs.....I don't know if that term was used in America or not...It meant WITH OUT PAPERS...or "undocumented" - Remember those that use the term undocumented are bound and determined to have their way. They don't care what is legal or what is not legal...as for the Italian example - once the WOPs were settled they did all the grunt jobs though the early 50s and 60s and 70s.

They were the ones who built our roads. They were the ones who poured the concrete for the footings of our bank towers...They were the brick layers who built our subdivisions. I guess that allowing undocumented Italian immigrants into Canada back then was a good idea..it built our nation.

Your problem is different - will "undocumented" immigrants cause America to bound forward economically or not? Will it bring about prosperity or will it increase instability and poverty?

These are the questions you must ask. Racism and spite cloud good judgement...Will these people help or will they be parasites?
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:31 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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People who walk across the border from Mexico or Canada are breaking the law, and are criminals as a result.

People who enter legally on a temporary visa, and then stay past the expiration date of their visa, are also breaking U.S. law. But it is a different law, and from what I understand they technically aren't "criminals".

But both are lawbreakers, both are subject to deporation, and both are illegal aliens.

And there are currently 15 million of them within our borders, due to many administrations' failure to enforce our laws.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:32 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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The correct classification is illegal or undocumented immigrant.
You're about 1/3 right.

The correct classification is "illegal alien".

See the OP.
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Old 04-22-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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When a soft headed liberal uses the term undocumented..They are stating that they are legal citizens similar to what took place with Italian immigration after WW2...Italians were called WOPs.....I don't know if that term was used in America or not...It meant WITH OUT PAPERS...or "undocumented" - Remember those that use the term undocumented are bound and determined to have their way. They don't care what is legal or what is not legal...as for the Italian example - once the WOPs were settled they did all the grunt jobs though the early 50s and 60s and 70s.

They were the ones who built our roads. They were the ones who poured the concrete for the footings of our bank towers...They were the brick layers who built our subdivisions. I guess that allowing undocumented Italian immigrants into Canada back then was a good idea..it built our nation.

Your problem is different - will "undocumented" immigrants cause America to bound forward economically or not? Will it bring about prosperity or will it increase instability and poverty?

These are the questions you must ask. Racism and spite cloud good judgement...Will these people help or will they be parasites?
Wrong.
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