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Old 10-31-2007, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Ne
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Corporate greed, that makes more sense.
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:23 PM
 
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It may not be the responsibility of the employer to provide a living wage, but it used to be in this country that employees were important to companies, and received good wages. It used to be important to hire LEGAL people, too, and not break the law.
It also used to be in this country that we provided enough value to our employers that we could afford to support ourselves.

Now, we demand these arbitrary minimum standards, i.e. "Even though I stack boxes for a living and only generate $5,000 worth of 'value' to my employer a year, I am working hard and demand $12,000 worth of health insurance a year, along with enough money to support children and a car."

If you want to make $10/hour, go figure out how to do something that earns $10/hour.
If you want to make $30/hour, go figure out how to do something that earns $30/hour.

If you are incapable of earning enough to support your lifestyle, then change your lifestyle. These things - children, health care, a house, a car, clothes, food - those are not rights, you have to work to earn them. At least, that's how I was brought up, I don't know about y'all.

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Old 10-31-2007, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Ne
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So that's when its time to call '800-RentAMexican'? Also, if we didn't have a joke of a health care system those arbitrary demands would be much less significant.

Well I can't speak for "y'all" of us but myself having worked very hard to get where I am at today, I make more money than I need and I'm for the most part happy with it. The point of this conversation was more so that the jobs people were qualified for and payed well to do are being lost to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Can't get anymore black & white than that bud.

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Old 10-31-2007, 02:55 PM
 
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The point of this conversation was more so that the jobs people were qualified for and payed well to do are being lost to ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Can't get anymore black & white than that bud.
And my point is: there are many reasons why illegal imimgrants are bad, but a depression in the wages of unskilled, uneducated labor is not one of them.
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Omaha, Ne
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And my point is: there are many reasons why illegal imimgrants are bad, but a depression in the wages of unskilled, uneducated labor is not one of them.
OK, lets agree to disagree then. I happen to think depressed wages is a direct result of them. Now, an influx of legal immigrants driving down wages is fare game because they would have the legal right to those jobs.
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Old 10-31-2007, 03:52 PM
 
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OK, lets agree to disagree then. I happen to think depressed wages is a direct result of them. Now, an influx of legal immigrants driving down wages is fare game because they would have the legal right to those jobs.
Well, to be clear - I agree with you that illegal immigrants cause depressed wages. I'm just not convinced that depressed wages are a bad thing.

I saw people complaining that American jobs are being sent overseas, and in the same paragraph, they complain that illegal immigrants are depressing American wages. That seems contradictory to me, since American jobs are being shipped to other countries because our wages are so high.
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Old 10-31-2007, 06:25 PM
 
Location: Somewhere extremely awesome
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The last number I heard was 30-35 million. I can't remember where I saw it, I'll look again and see if I can find it.
I think that's the number of Mexican-Americans in the U.S. I've heard about 12 million illegals.
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Old 10-31-2007, 10:51 PM
 
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Northeast 2,120,000
Connecticut 115,000
Delaware 20,000
District of Columbia 35,000
Maine 5,000
Maryland 150,000
Massachusetts 250,000
New Hampshire 15,000
New Jersey 490,000
New York 1,110,000
Pennsylvania 140,000
Rhode Island 35,000
Vermont 5,000

Midwest 1,615,000
Illinois 775,000
Indiana 110,000
Iowa 55,000
Kansas 90,000
Michigan 200,000
Minnesota 125,000
Nebraska 45,000
North Dakota 5,000
Ohio 115,000
South Dakota 5,000
Wisconsin 90,000

South 4,100,000
Alabama 55,000
Arkansas 50,000
Florida 810,000
Georgia 440,000
Kentucky 40,000
Louisiana 25,000
Mississippi 20,000
Missouri 65,000
North Carolina 385,000
Oklahoma 85,000
South Carolina 75,000
Tennessee 100,000
Texas 1,740,000
Virginia 205,000
West Virginia 5,000

West 4,965,000
Alaska 10,000
Arizona 475,000
California 3,470,000
Colorado 270,000
Hawaii 30,000
Idaho 35,000
Montana 5,000
Nevada 170,000
New Mexico 70,000
Oregon 170,000
Washington 255,000
Wyoming 5,000

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Old 10-31-2007, 11:28 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Well, to be clear - I agree with you that illegal immigrants cause depressed wages. I'm just not convinced that depressed wages are a bad thing.

I saw people complaining that American jobs are being sent overseas, and in the same paragraph, they complain that illegal immigrants are depressing American wages. That seems contradictory to me, since American jobs are being shipped to other countries because our wages are so high.
Fair enough:

Our wages were 'too high' and had to be cut to reflect world supply and demand.

If indeed such is the case: the CEO's definitely need their wages whacked as well-------maybe on the order of 75% less.

I am being quite serious here: most of them are not worth their present compensation with the incredible screw ups in the market place.

Lead paint in toys from China for one flagrant example.
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Old 10-31-2007, 11:33 PM
 
Location: California
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Fair enough:

Our wages were 'too high' and had to be cut to reflect world supply and demand.

If indeed such is the case: the CEO's definitely need their wages whacked as well-------maybe on the order of 75% less.

I am being quite serious here: most of them are not worth their present compensation with the incredible screw ups in the market place.

Lead paint in toys from China for one flagrant example.
On another note, the wages for politicians are pretty crappy. The politicians who actually help to make this country stable and carry an important role in the Government should be paid 2 or 3 times of what they make now. The president should make a little over $1 Million. I mean cmon, I know people who make over $400k a year after taxes. Their jobs aren't nearly as hard as the presidents. Its like the hardest job in the U.S!
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