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Old 04-30-2013, 07:04 PM
 
Location: OCEAN BREEZES AND VIEWS SAN CLEMENTE
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This Country was founded on Pride by Fellow Country-Men, and having a distinct love for this Country.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, breaking the rules, the laws, jumping over fences to come to this Country, by illegal means. Is not something our forefathers, were thinking of. And then their demands these selfish people put upon us, our forefathers, are probably turning over in their graves.

Why don't we Americans do the same damn thing in Mexicio, that their citizens do right here. See how far we get!
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:16 PM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, breaking the rules, the laws, jumping over fences to come to this Country, by illegal means. Is not something our forefathers, were thinking of. And then their demands these selfish people put upon us, our forefathers, are probably turning over in their graves.
Right...the people who rebelled against their own King, a treasonous act of rebellion for which armies were sent to kill them, these people would not appreciate law breaking for freedom, justice and the pursuit of happiness. If I rolled my eyes any harder they'd pop right out of my sockets.

America was founded in a huge fit of illegal activity against the established authority, the British Crown. And we'd do it again because damn it freedom is worth anything in the world.

How come every anti-immigrant person doesn't know any history? All American NYC, another anti-immigrant guy on here didn't know that slaves were considered non-citizens just like immigrants are today.
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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Right...the people who rebelled against their own King, a treasonous act of rebellion for which armies were sent to kill them, these people would not appreciate law breaking for freedom, justice and the pursuit of happiness. If I rolled my eyes any harder they'd pop right out of my sockets.

America was founded in a huge fit of illegal activity against the established authority, the British Crown. And we'd do it again because damn it freedom is worth anything in the world.

How come every anti-immigrant person doesn't know any history? All American NYC, another anti-immigrant guy on here didn't know that slaves were considered non-citizens just like immigrants are today.
and why is it that every "pro illegal immigrant person" doesn't understand consequences?

what happens when a lifeboat is too full? everybody drowns when the boat sinks.

why can't these people think ahead, especially considering we have a LEGAL immigration system in the country, but that isn't good enough for them.

no, they are special and our special jerk lawmakers want to REWARD them for their specialness-- against the will of the citizens.

this won't end well.

for the record, we probably wouldn't do it again because it seems that we have turned into an apathetic depressed lot of people, unable to get our representatives to represent US-with literally MILLIONS now on welfare and food stamps, not caring about wars, freedom, drones, criminal activity on wall street and elsewhere, overspending, lousy leaders, or much of anything anymore.

that's what dependency does.

the only thing that seems to get a rise is the gun control issue-I wonder why that is?

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Old 04-30-2013, 07:55 PM
 
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It still is Oldglory, it still is.
Uh; the SAME can be said about Mexico tho the Mexicans get real upset with illegal alien Guatemalans.
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Old 04-30-2013, 07:58 PM
 
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Right...the people who rebelled against their own King, a treasonous act of rebellion for which armies were sent to kill them, these people would not appreciate law breaking for freedom, justice and the pursuit of happiness. If I rolled my eyes any harder they'd pop right out of my sockets.

America was founded in a huge fit of illegal activity against the established authority, the British Crown. And we'd do it again because damn it freedom is worth anything in the world.

How come every anti-immigrant person doesn't know any history? All American NYC, another anti-immigrant guy on here didn't know that slaves were considered non-citizens just like immigrants are today.
Mexico started out by kicking Spain out.

Mexico CONTROLS it's borders. The US has the same right. Sheesh!

If we're going to play this all the way out: almost ALL countries started out by war.
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:07 PM
 
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Mexico started out by kicking Spain out.

Mexico CONTROLS it's borders. The US has the same right. Sheesh!

If we're going to play this all the way out: almost ALL countries started out by war.
you might want to remind that poster that even the US and mexico had a war once:

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo specified the major consequence of the war: the forced Mexican Cession of the territories of Alta California and New Mexico to the U.S. in exchange for $15 million. In addition, the United States assumed $3.25 million of debt owed by the Mexican government to U.S. citizens. Mexico accepted the loss of Texas and thereafter cited the Rio Grande as its national border.

I guess they forgot.
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:10 PM
 
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We are no longer a wide open frontier with plenty of jobs and resources. We are no longer a country for the taking or sharing in unlimited numbers. What is so hard about that to understand? That is why we only allow immigration in limited numbers today. Why do people continually compare the past to the present when there can be no realistic comparison?
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Old 04-30-2013, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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you might want to remind that poster that even the US and mexico had a war once:

The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo specified the major consequence of the war: the forced Mexican Cession of the territories of Alta California and New Mexico to the U.S. in exchange for $15 million. In addition, the United States assumed $3.25 million of debt owed by the Mexican government to U.S. citizens. Mexico accepted the loss of Texas and thereafter cited the Rio Grande as its national border.

I guess they forgot.
You forgot one big part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo: That the inhabitants of the territories assumed by the United States would be provided citizenship, and that they would retain their property rights. This was not often the case, as settlers came and pushed them out. Even Mexicans legally arriving before and during the Mexican Revolution (immigration laws were the same for them as Europeans coming, where they simply declared their intentions to remain and become citizens) were later forcibly removed for Operation W3tback.

Whites commonly remember only selected parts of history...
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:16 PM
 
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You forgot one big part of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo: That the inhabitants of the territories assumed by the United States would be provided citizenship, and that they would retain their property rights. This was not often the case, as settlers came and pushed them out. Even Mexicans legally arriving before and during the Mexican Revolution (immigration laws were the same for them as Europeans coming, where they simply declared their intentions to remain and become citizens) were later forcibly removed for Operation W3tback.

Whites commonly remember only selected parts of history...

Then why don't their descendants take up their beefs with our govenrment? If they lack the balls to do so then they need to stop whining about the past. Operation WB to my knowledge happened because we needed jobs for Americans that the Mexicans were holding and reducing wages much like today.

Whites? Aren't you a non-hispanic white yourself or at least for the most part? Let's not make this about race, shall we? Why not just say Americans instead?
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Lets look at the first two paragraphs of your linkThis is an experiment based on wording, not an actual poll. watafnmron
Nicely done !!!!!
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