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Old 11-09-2007, 11:49 AM
 
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So ghost are you advocating we switch to Communism?

 
Old 11-09-2007, 11:54 AM
 
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So ghost are you advocating we switch to Communism?
*ding ding*

We have a winner!

Not surpisingly, many communist/socialist organizations can be seen marching alongside the illegals every time they protest.
 
Old 11-09-2007, 12:01 PM
 
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So ghost are you advocating we switch to Communism?
no. i like our current hybrid of capitalism and socialism. i think we could definitely use a restructuring of our resource allocation, but i think the hybrid form of government has the potential to be the most effective in the history of the world.
 
Old 11-09-2007, 12:02 PM
 
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*ding ding*

We have a winner!

Not surpisingly, many communist/socialist organizations can be seen marching alongside the illegals every time they protest.
*ding ding* socialism and communism are not the same thing!

*ding ding* our country is already part socialist...
 
Old 11-09-2007, 12:55 PM
 
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*ding ding* socialism and communism are not the same thing!
Imagine that!

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*ding ding* our country is already part socialist...
We have another winner!

(Actually, our economy is classfied as mixed, not "part socialist.")
 
Old 11-09-2007, 01:11 PM
 
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Imagine that!


We have another winner!

(Actually, our economy is classfied as mixed, not "part socialist.")
so where do you get the idea that i promote a switch to communism?
 
Old 11-09-2007, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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that is their own fault. education and skill land you jobs with security.
So no sympathy for Americans? How about the situation an illegal is in his/her OWN FAULT. How about no sympathy for them? To me, MY people come first. If you think the illegals should come first, perhaps you should move to Mexico, where they actually should come first.


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what about layoffs and downsizing? the people probably liked their job and dont want to do something else. TOO BAD! thats part of AMERICA! that is why we have unemployment insurance.
Same could be said about everyone who ignores the economic impact of illegal immigration and says "Oh the poor illegal, he just wants to better his life". Well how about TOO BAD, THAT'S LIFE! NOT OUR PROBLEM!


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it was given to them by the EMPLOYER that wants to cut their overhead. tell that AMERICAN PERSON that the AMERICAN PEOPLE COME FIRST. cant have cheap labor if no one pays for it.
That AMERICAN PERSON hiring illegals should be thrown in jail.

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well that isnt going to happen. so you can continue to deal with illegal immigrants, continue to hate, and know that no real solution is going to happen, because of hatred and stubbornness, and an inability to grasp real world scenario and solution.
Maybe you should read around this board and look at the amount of Americans against illegal immigration, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. You can call everyone on here racist, hate mongers, unhumanitarian, whatever, NOBODY CARES! No one here hates illegal immigrants, they are just tired of supporting them, having their neighborhoods ruined by them and having them steal their jobs. So it looks like you may be the one with the inability to grasp.

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im sure youve never shoplifted, sped in your car, jaywalked, done drugs, drank underage, driven under the influence, got in a fight, etc. etc...

if you have done even ONE of the aforementioned, you have broken the law.
- Me speeding is not costing the taxpayers billions of dollars a year.
- Me jaywalking does not decrease the quality of life in any neighborhood.
- Me drinking when I was a teenager did not let murderers, rapists and disease into my country.

GET SOME COMPARABLE ANALOGIES. And if after the next election we don't get a government in there that will do something about illegal immigration, then you will have Americans taking it into their own hands, and nobody wants that.
 
Old 11-09-2007, 01:38 PM
 
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So no sympathy for Americans? How about the situation an illegal is in his/her OWN FAULT. How about no sympathy for them? To me, MY people come first. If you think the illegals should come first, perhaps you should move to Mexico, where they actually should come first.
of course i have sympathy for americans. but they have the opportunity to do better. the illegals are doing the best they can, in most cases. they dont have another option like americans do.

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Same could be said about everyone who ignores the economic impact of illegal immigration and says "Oh the poor illegal, he just wants to better his life". Well how about TOO BAD, THAT'S LIFE! NOT OUR PROBLEM!
basic human rights and job security carry two very different priorities.

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That AMERICAN PERSON hiring illegals should be thrown in jail.
ok. now we have even more people in prison, and incentives to hire under the table. more problems created than solved.

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Maybe you should read around this board and look at the amount of Americans against illegal immigration, IT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. You can call everyone on here racist, hate mongers, unhumanitarian, whatever, NOBODY CARES! No one here hates illegal immigrants, they are just tired of supporting them, having their neighborhoods ruined by them and having them steal their jobs. So it looks like you may be the one with the inability to grasp.
the american public has a long history of misguided hate and exclusion. it was only a little over half a century ago we had "whites only" facilities. and it was supported by the majority of americans at that time. looking back on it now, was the american public correct in their support?

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- Me speeding is not costing the taxpayers billions of dollars a year.
- Me jaywalking does not decrease the quality of life in any neighborhood.
- Me drinking when I was a teenager did not let murderers, rapists and disease into my country.
we are talking about pure legality, not the extremity of the consequenses. illegal is illegal, remember?

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GET SOME COMPARABLE ANALOGIES. And if after the next election we don't get a government in there that will do something about illegal immigration, then you will have Americans taking it into their own hands, and nobody wants that.
if nobody wants illegal immigrants, they should elect a leader who will reform the immigration process and take away incentives to cross illegally. once they work to balance the mexican and american economies, we will be provided less incentives to even LEGALLY immigrate.

theres your answer. its up to you whether you want to work towards achieving it, or if you just want to deport over and over and over, and imprison everyone, and not solve the problem at all.

united we stand, divided we fall. nationally. globally.
 
Old 11-09-2007, 01:43 PM
 
Location: NM
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i would like to know someones personal experience with an illegal. not their husbands, sisters, friends of a friends really your personal experience with an illegal. People say that they are horrible killers, drunks, murders, and rapists. I havent met one yet im not saying they are not out there but really i want to hear some personal experience face to face with an illegal. What did you honestly think? And what if you had come in contact with an illegal and you didnt even know it??
I feel real sorry for your SO if something happens to him and you can't grasp the fact that it also happened to you. Every thing that happened to vivski's husband impacted her and the childrens life just as much as it did her husband. Probably even more because she is the one who had/has to deal with it all while he was unable to. And if you have read her story, you would know that. You have talked to someone over and over about who has had a personal experience with illegal crime.
 
Old 11-09-2007, 08:07 PM
 
Location: Helena, Montana
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Originally Posted by GH0ST.. View Post
if nobody wants illegal immigrants, they should elect a leader who will reform the immigration process and take away incentives to cross illegally. once they work to balance the mexican and american economies, we will be provided less incentives to even LEGALLY immigrate.

theres your answer. its up to you whether you want to work towards achieving it, or if you just want to deport over and over and over, and imprison everyone, and not solve the problem at all.

united we stand, divided we fall. nationally. globally.
My grandparents came here in the 20's, and were on a waiting list for 8 years. As far as I know, the process to this day is pretty similar. Do you think possibly it's done this way for a reason? Possibly to make sure people are dedicated and TRULY want to be a part of our country? I'm sorry, but I don't want people to be able to just come right in. Show our country that you want it bad enough to go through the process, because you know the end result will be a better life for your children and grandchildren. That's what millions of LEGAL citizens have done for two centuries, I don't see a need to change it now. Taking out the incentives to cross illegally is taking away the benefits our government gives them once they are here. I do NOT feel those who just want to work here but otherwise have no pride in our country have any right whatsoever to be here. Did you ever think that many illegals do not WANT to become citizens? Their first loyalty is to Mexico, not to the US. Many of them despise America and her people, and THOSE people need to go back to Mexico. My wife works with many illegals, and many of her workers have told her this, and say many illegals feel that way. Straight from the source. If they want to be an AMERICAN that bad, they will sacrifce and go through the process. This is suppose to be the land of the free, not the land of the free ride.
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