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Old 11-05-2007, 05:02 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Why dont we just open the vaults at every bank in america that way no one has to break laws when they take the money? Its locked doors that create bank robbers anyway.
The logic defies explanation other than its sole intent is to buy hispanic votes.
Because you are comparing a red herring with with market friendly public policy.

Jaywalking is not stealing. Being willing to work as hard or harder than you is also not stealing, unless you believe that hard work should not be rewarded.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:03 PM
 
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Anecdotal evidence suggests that illegals were buying auto insurance before they were denied that legality by misguided attempts to restrict their liberties within any given state.
Misguided attempts to restrict their liberties???? Give me a break - they are ILLEGAL! They do not have liberties afforded to them that are afforded to legal citizens. Are you illegal yourself or what?
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Prohibition has never worked, in the history of the US. Why would any rational person want to waste money on public policy that won't work?
You don't know it "won't work" - for, you have not tried

OBTW, the fence being built? Although not complete, is slowing the numbers of illegals

OBTW, the enhanced law enforcement on the borders? Is arresting and deporting more illegal border crossers than ever before

OBTW, the new employer sanction laws going into effect in many states? Has resulted in increasing number of jobs for those here LEGALLY
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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And you would both be wrong, as usual.
To the contrary - we have you pegged!
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:29 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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Misguided attempts to restrict their liberties???? Give me a break - they are ILLEGAL! They do not have liberties afforded to them that are afforded to legal citizens. Are you illegal yourself or what?
The Constitution doesn't differentiate by immigration status. If you are going by laws authorized by our Constitution, it applies regardless.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:32 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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You don't know it "won't work" - for, you have not tried

OBTW, the fence being built? Although not complete, is slowing the numbers of illegals

OBTW, the enhanced law enforcement on the borders? Is arresting and deporting more illegal border crossers than ever before

OBTW, the new employer sanction laws going into effect in many states? Has resulted in increasing number of jobs for those here LEGALLY
Prohibition with the US Army didn't stop illegal prospectors in the Black Hills. The US prohibition on alcohol was repealed because it didn't work. Hadrian's Wall didn't work. Etc.

What is wrong with simply fining current black market labor participants and issuing work visas? Everyone else would not want to pay a fine and obtain a work visa from their home country.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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What is wrong with simply fining current black market labor participants and issuing work visas? Everyone else would not want to pay a fine and obtain a work visa from their home country.
What is wrong with taking away the business license of an employer who knowingly hires an illegal immigrant?
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:37 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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OBTW, the new employer sanction laws going into effect in many states? Has resulted in increasing number of jobs for those here LEGALLY
I am not impressed by proposed trampling of state's rights and individual liberties under our current administration.

I am even less impressed by jobs being available after causing frictional unemployment costs for those concerned. We could have simply upgraded infrastructure to create more jobs and had something to show for it afterwards.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:40 PM
 
Location: US, California - federalist
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What is wrong with taking away the business license of an employer who knowingly hires an illegal immigrant?
Neither the states nor the people have any Constitutional authority over US Customs. The states are specifically denied the power to impair in the obligation of contracts and can be considered an infringement in the individual right to create social contracts between private individuals.

Unless of course, you happen to think we wasted our time putting "under God" in the pledge to differentiate ourselves from the godless communists.
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:40 PM
 
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I am not impressed by proposed trampling of state's rights and individual liberties under our current administration.

I am even less impressed by jobs being available after causing frictional unemployment costs for those concerned. We could have simply upgraded infrastructure to create more jobs and had something to show for it afterwards.
Well, I'm sorry Daniel but, the Employer sanctions law was not proposed by the "current administration". It was proposed by the Citizens of a State - who petitioned their legislators - who drafted a bill, that was debated, and passed. Then signed by the Governor

Now, what were you saying about the Constitution Daniel? Isn't there something the corresponding Bill of Rights about the citizens right to petition their government?
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