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Old 04-29-2013, 07:27 AM
 
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The "Gang of Eight" claims that its immigration bill does not provide amnesty for illegal immigrants. But an analysis of the legalization portion of the 844-page Senate proposal uncovers at least 11 amnesties for illegal aliens and their employers...."Illegal aliens will be rewarded for breaking laws for which American citizens are routinely punished," said Mark Krikorian, Executive Director of the Center for Immigration Studies. "For example, an American citizen would face a maximum penalty of ten years in prison and fines of up to $250,000 for using a fraudulent Social Security card, but under this bill the illegal alien would face a $1,000 penalty covering all his many offenses, a penalty which in many cases will be waived. Then, they would be issued a new Social Security number without any past bad credit or arrest records."
Yet they want another bill turned into law with no enforcement. How about trying to enforce a law before writing a new one.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:34 AM
 
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Here are some more things buried in the bill.

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Amnesty for the estimated 75 percent of illegal aliens committing Social
Security fraud.

-- Amnesty from returning to home countries for 10 years before adjusting
status.

-- Amnesty for illegal aliens committing Identity theft.

-- Amnesty for illegal aliens by officially authorizing them to continue
committing identity theft by using fraudulently obtained Social Security
numbers belonging to American citizens.

-- Amnesty for illegal aliens who have committed perjury on I-9 forms.

-- De-Facto amnesty from the token $1,000 penalty, since it effectively
pre-pays services provided to illegal aliens.
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Old 04-29-2013, 07:37 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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No, no amnesty. Not from what I've read in the proposals.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:05 AM
 
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No, no amnesty. Not from what I've read in the proposals.
Forgiveness is amensty. How many times do you have to be told that? What is being "reformed"?....Nothing!

Again, could we concentrate on the fact that they will be allowed to remain here in spite of the millions of Americans out of work, the promise that in 1986 there would be no more of this and that it makes no sense to reward illegal immigrants for breaking our immigration laws, none of the so-called penalties will be enforced, e-verify has been weakened in the bill and that our borders won't be secured just like they weren't in 1986?
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:04 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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What is being "reformed"?....Nothing!
Take the time to learn more about the issue. Read the legislation, for a start.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:09 AM
 
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Take the time to learn more about the issue. Read the legislation, for a start.
Since you claim to be the expert why don't you just tell us what is being reformed in regards to "illegal" immigration and save us the trouble instead of having to through pages and pages of stuff that even our politicians don't ever seem to understand.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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What is being reformed? Oh let's see,

For the first time employers will be forced to E-Verify their new and current hires. Previously all they had to was ask for Social Security numbers, and if they looked legitimate, they were clear with the law. The mandatory E-Verify provision would put an end to the hiring of undocumented immigrants.

A new electronic entry-exit system will be implemented. 45% of the undocumented population entered legally, so no matter how secure the borders are, we need to deal with visa overstayers. Currently we have no reliable way of knowing when they leave the country. The airlines are responsible for collecting and documenting their departure, and this will be moved to the government. We would be able to track people who haven't showed up in our systems as departed when they were supposed to, and they could be called to appear before an immigration judge.

And of course, border security will beefed up. Straight outta the gate 3500 new personnel and billions of dollars. Critical "high risk" sectors will have to be sealed, which means 100% detection and 90% apprehension of attempted illegal entries. If the DHS fails to secure the border, an unprecendented amount of federal regulatory power will be ceded to the border states governors to enforce federal law. This is really the linchpin, I don't see how any sane person can walk away from this. Arizona tried to enforce federal laws and the US Supreme Court found it unconstitutional because the federal government insisted it was their job to enforce federal laws. Now for the first time the federal government is agreeing to give states the power to deal with the issue if the federal government fails.

Legal entry quotas are being tied to the market so that demand will determine how many visas to issue.

The current family based system is being replaced with an economic-oriented point based system that's already the law in most industrialized countries.

But oh this isn't REAL reform because it doesn't deport everyone. (Sarcasm)
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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Why do we need an amnesty to do E-verify and border security?
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:39 AM
 
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This bill is a slap in the face to Americans and to legal immigrants who abide by the law.

It's full of goodies for law-breakers and is an engraved invitation to future illegals to pour into our country and squat while they wait for a new amnesty bill.
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Old 04-30-2013, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Why do we need an amnesty to do E-verify and border security?
Because we live in a democracy and to get what you want, you need to give others what they want, so everybody wins. The law could be, let's say, E-Verify, border security and mass deportations. Guess how many Democrats would vote for that.

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This bill is a slap in the face to Americans and to legal immigrants who abide by the law.

It's full of goodies for law-breakers and is an engraved invitation to future illegals to pour into our country and squat while they wait for a new amnesty bill.
Drones in the sky over the border are hardly "goodies for law-breakers" and neither is E-Verify and the unprecedented militarization of the border. The bill doesn't include any more "amnesty" than what we already have. It deals compassionately with some of the past law breakers while dealing aggressively with future law breakers. That's what moderates call a compromise.

An uncompromising ideologue will get nothing done, and I think the bills propositions are, at a minimum, an upgrade over what we have now.
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