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Old 05-02-2013, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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20% of them have some college education. But what's 2 million people between anti-immigrant extremists?
Please provide proof that 20% of illegal aliens are college educated. All of the reports I have read indicate they are generally uneducated and low-skilled.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Swiftwater, PA
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Even though I advocate a pathway to Citizenship, I find your position to be very reasonable. If the legal immigration system was better, I'd have a lot less sympathy for the 11 million here, but I know how slow and unresponsive USCIS is, and how every immigrant is perceived as guilty (of being fraudulent) until proven innocent. I know that many people are effectively shut out because either there is no legal path for them to take, or the backlog is so long that they'd be dead by the time their application is processed.

That's why once these issues are corrected by immigration reform, I'd be all for enforcement. Ultimately good laws garner more support than bad ones. We had prohibition in America. There was rampant law breaking, and people would buck the government and secretly drink anyway. It was a bad law, and we changed it. We didn't feel the need to be punitive, and never let drinkers get right with society. The greatest and freest country on Earth shouldn't have a permanent underclass.

I don't think it should be a handout either. The House of Representatives floated the idea that the illegal aliens would have to turn themselves in and plead guilty to the crime of illegal entry before any leniency may be shown. I think that is punitive, but that's the law. If their family can be kept together, even if they have to face fines, a criminal record, and even some jail time, I think that's a fair price to pay for having broken the law.
Immigrants built our Country and we need them. Most of us are immigrants or the descendent of immigrants – even the American Indians.

However; these are dangerous times. We have to worry about disease/plague. We have to worry about terrorism (like the Boston bomber and accomplices/friends). We have to worry about mobs, drugs and crime. All of this protection comes out of the average taxpayer's paycheck – the wealthiest individuals seem to know how to sidestep a fair share (regardless of political affiliation).

If I had to wait for years to immigrate into the US; I would not take kindly to those that did not play by the rules. That is especially true if I cannot find work because my illegal 'brothers and sisters' have taken my job/s. It isn't just stealing my job that would make me angry; it is also the applying for various aid and receiving funds. What message are we giving those that do the right thing?

We do not even quickly deport criminals (that commit other crimes besides breaking into our Country). Sometimes we hear of illegals that have committed several crimes and have not been deported or have come back after being deported.

All of this is not good economics – no matter what professor gives their rubber stamp of approval.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:54 AM
 
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Immigrants built our Country and we need them. Most of us are immigrants or the descendent of immigrants – even the American Indians.

However; these are dangerous times. We have to worry about disease/plague. We have to worry about terrorism (like the Boston bomber and accomplices/friends). We have to worry about mobs, drugs and crime. All of this protection comes out of the average taxpayer's paycheck – the wealthiest individuals seem to know how to sidestep a fair share (regardless of political affiliation).

If I had to wait for years to immigrate into the US; I would not take kindly to those that did not play by the rules. That is especially true if I cannot find work because my illegal 'brothers and sisters' have taken my job/s. It isn't just stealing my job that would make me angry; it is also the applying for various aid and receiving funds. What message are we giving those that do the right thing?

We do not even quickly deport criminals (that commit other crimes besides breaking into our Country). Sometimes we hear of illegals that have committed several crimes and have not been deported or have come back after being deported.

All of this is not good economics – no matter what professor gives their rubber stamp of approval.
Agreed, and the so-called reform will not be changing to allow more poor, uneducated and unskilled to come here and those are the ones coming here in the highest numbers illegally. So if someone is supporting this so-called reform how will that problem be fixed? The fact is that it is those kinds of foreigners that aren't being allowed in now because we don't need them. There are more poor, etc. that want to come here but we don't need them because they would be a financial burden to us and take blue-collared jobs from Americans. How will "reform" fix that other than to allow the 11 million already here to remain here?
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