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Old 11-28-2007, 09:58 PM
 
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Is Mexico a humanitarian country? NO.
the government of mexico and its people are two very different things. dont lump them together or it muddies the accuracy of the discussion.

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Are the people of the United States sick and tired of being taken advantage of by illegal alien mexicans? YES.
not all of them. a lot of people seem to be ignorant to the real scope of damages done, in that it's a lot less than most people think.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:08 PM
 
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And there in lies the original problem as most average, joe six pack ameircans see it Ghost. A sense of basic un-fairness
No body of ordinary sensitivity likes it when they are patently waiting in line and some one cuts in front.
nobody born a citizen in america has had to wait in line. the only people that are waiting in line are people waiting to immigrate legally. if we reformed the whole process, there wouldnt be a line at all. and nobody would be getting cut in front of.

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That is a basic human dislike towards rude behavior.
or intolerance.

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The world as a whole has a huge reservoir of people who are waiting their turn in line to come to this nation and they are potentially put to the back of the line because of the proximity of the mexican American border and the easy ability of the mexicans who are so inclined to sneak over.
That is further exacerbated by the illegal actions of the employer's who would abuse the employee through lower wages.
the amount of illegal immigration we have has no effect on the process of legal immigration for those waiting.

as far as the employers go, is it really that much different than outsourcing? im not necessarily defending it... i am just curious what your opinion is.

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Im not against immigration into this country as it is still considered by most as the best of places to live and who can fault them that.
so if we reformed the process, what would the problem be? people would have almost no incentive to immigrate illegally. we could solve a lot of our complaints that way.

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Equally having been to old mexico and seeing the appalling conditions of which their own government forces them to live in I can understand the urge to flee,
absolutely. i dont condone illegal immigration, per se, but it is crucial to understand why they are doing it and what steps we can take to achieve the best possible outcome for as many people as possible.

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however, with that mass of people having seen a glimpse of the good life, and at 20 million or so strong, be enough of a political movement to force a change in the level of corruption which is and has been endemic of the mexican political culture for so long.
there is a huge difference between illegal immigration and taking on a government. for one, immigration is not a unified cooperative action. most people immigrate individually or in small groups. taking on a government would require almost complete simultaneous unification. also, the risks involved are much worse in taking on a government. if you are caught illegally immigrating, you do some time, maybe get deported. thats it. taking on the mexican government has killed many zapatistas already. the average citizen would definitely be at risk, with a potential loss of life! thats a whole lot worse than deportation.

so please, understand that taking on the government is infinitely more difficult than immigrating.

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Yet back to the original premise, why is it inherently unfair for the average american to realize there to be a base unfairness of going to the head of the line.......?
reform would eliminate the line.

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Again it is an American trait, and a good one that we should cheer for the underdog, and those immigrants who are trying to achieve the American dream properly have suddenly become the class weakling and the average American resents that even if they cannot properly express or fully realize that level of resentment, they know it is there at some primordial level.

i agree. we should work to help them how we can. there are many ways of doing so, without much taken from us at all. think about what we couldve done with all the money we spent in iraq, for one...
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:09 PM
 
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Mexicans are North Americans. I'm a North American.
Nice to hear someone up front advocating for the Amero.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:10 PM
 
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Don't try carpet-bagging illegal aliens on the outstanding civil rights achievements of African Americans.
you didnt answer his question.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:11 PM
 
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This isn't just about illegal immigration, this is about culture, and demographics. Frankly, I want less people coming in here legally, as do most people.

You really should read Samuel Huntington more often, what you advocate is national suicide.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:14 PM
 
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This isn't just about illegal immigration, this is about culture, and demographics. Frankly, I want less people coming in here legally, as do most people.

You really should read Samuel Huntington more often, what you advocate is national suicide.
its easy to advocate that kind of position when youre already a citizen. would you feel the same if you were born in a poorer country and were looking for an opportunity to succeed?
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:17 PM
 
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No, and thank god for that. And this is relevant how? Aside from that, Mexico has one of the 10 largest economies on earth, there's plenty of wealth there. It's their country, their problem.

You citizen of the world types will fast find yourself a man without a country.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:18 PM
 
Location: Greater Houston
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Don't try carpet-bagging illegal aliens on the outstanding civil rights achievements of African Americans.
Face it, she was a law-breaker; a criminal. She even needed a pardon.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:19 PM
 
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She was also a citizen.

Born in the US, as had her family been here for generations.
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Old 11-28-2007, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Greater Houston
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She was also a citizen.

Born in the US, as had her family been here for generations.
But she broke a law for not giving up her seat. Why did she not understand that it was a law and it had to be followed?
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