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Old 11-02-2007, 03:24 PM
 
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ProLogic,

Don't mess with Texas!

 
Old 11-02-2007, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Originally Posted by JANA MANIA View Post
WHEN I FIRST CAME TO CALIF.,IN THE EARLY 70'S. ILLEGALS WERE BELOVED.THEY KEPT A LOW PROFILE ,THEIR CHILDREN LEARNED ENGLISH IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND WOULD ASK FOR THINGS AND OFFER TO WORK OR SPEAK IN BEHALF OF THEIR PARENTS. MY SON WENT TO PUBLIC CALIF. SCHOOLS.THE CLASSES WERE SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE OF THE LANGUAGE BARRIER. BUT, I NEVER HEARD ANY HATE OR ANGER. MOST EVERYONE WANTED TO HELP THEM AND NEVER WAS THERE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THEM LIVING AMONG THE NEIGHBORHOODS.THEY WERE EVERYWHERE ,BUT THE DIFFERENCE WAS AND IS THE HUMBLENESS AND GRATITUDE, IT'S GONE. TODAY, IT IS A DEMAND FROM THE ILLEGAL THAT WE SHOULD,NOT THAT WE COULD...
I would find it a lot more difficult to fight the invasion if they were respectful, nice people, as it is they make it easy. That's not to say there aren't nice illegals, there's plenty of them but they're being overwhelmed by the loud, obnoxious ones who stand out in contrast.
 
Old 11-02-2007, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Oxygen Ln. AZ
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I do remember the earlier waves of illegals coming to CA and they were so much more civil and their children always clean and dressed in their Sunday best at the malls.

This last week I had the opportunity to sit and watch some of the hotel housekeepers clean the hotel lobby where we were staying. They were pleasant enough, spoke not a word of English. They were busy cleaning the dining area getting ready for the dinner rush. They used the same old dirty rag to clean inside the TRASH CANS and then proceeded to clean off the coffe machine and area where the food would be served as well as the actual serving tray for the rolls. Then the grand finale, the tables themselves.

I think some of the problems stem from illegals coming from the southern parts of Mexico and into S. America. Health standards are all but nonexisting there.
 
Old 11-02-2007, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Originally Posted by MotleyCrew View Post
I do remember the earlier waves of illegals coming to CA and they were so much more civil and their children always clean and dressed in their Sunday best at the malls.

This last week I had the opportunity to sit and watch some of the hotel housekeepers clean the hotel lobby where we were staying. They were pleasant enough, spoke not a word of English. They were busy cleaning the dining area getting ready for the dinner rush. They used the same old dirty rag to clean inside the TRASH CANS and then proceeded to clean off the coffe machine and area where the food would be served as well as the actual serving tray for the rolls. Then the grand finale, the tables themselves.

I think some of the problems stem from illegals coming from the southern parts of Mexico and into S. America. Health standards are all but nonexisting there.
This guy I know hires illegals to work for him...terrible, I know. He told some hilarious stories about how he had to train them to use a toilet. No joke. He said one guy had to be repeatedly told to use toilet paper, so he picked the roll up, wiped with the whole roll, then threw the roll in the trash. I wish I was kidding.
 
Old 11-02-2007, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Denver
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This guy I know hires illegals to work for him...terrible, I know. He told some hilarious stories about how he had to train them to use a toilet. No joke. He said one guy had to be repeatedly told to use toilet paper, so he picked the roll up, wiped with the whole roll, then threw the roll in the trash. I wish I was kidding.
Laughing at the short-comings of others must make you very proud. Sadly the above story is true of many in Mexico. Even some of those who are so inclined to know how to wipe, cannot flush it and have to put the toilet paper in the trash can. Something that Americans take for granted everyday.
 
Old 11-02-2007, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Laughing at the short-comings of others must make you very proud. Sadly the above story is true of many in Mexico. Even some of those who are so inclined to know how to wipe, cannot flush it and have to put the toilet paper in the trash can. Something that Americans take for granted everyday.
LOL...look who's accusing who of being smug and self-satisfied.

Glass houses, Mach50Thunderdart. Glass houses.
 
Old 11-02-2007, 04:12 PM
 
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Well, I don't want anyone like that handling my food, do you?
 
Old 11-02-2007, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Well, I don't want anyone like that handling my food, do you?
I wouldn't want anyone like that (lacking proper hygiene skills) anywhere near anything I'm going to touch with any part of my body, let alone eat.
 
Old 11-02-2007, 04:16 PM
 
Location: Maine
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Cheap Tomatoes



This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet

Tomatoes and Cheap Labor

CHEAP TOMATOES?
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent

From a California school teacher - - -


"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southernCalifornia high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic
and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens ,Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK )

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by theappreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America . (OUR TAXDOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but todemand rights,privileges and entitlements ?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it . Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?


It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture thatdoes not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15and that refuses
to assimilate , and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about " politically correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.
CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
Consumers don't want expensive produce.
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth , a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for
$5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense .

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans
are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY,WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'
 
Old 11-02-2007, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
3,589 posts, read 2,991,014 times
Reputation: 533
Quote:
Originally Posted by msina View Post
Cheap Tomatoes



This English teacher has phrased it the best I've seen yet

Tomatoes and Cheap Labor

CHEAP TOMATOES?
This should make everyone think, be you Democrat, Republican or Independent

From a California school teacher - - -


"As you listen to the news about the student protests over illegal immigration, there are some things that you should be aware of:

I am in charge of the English-as-a-second-language department at a large southernCalifornia high school which is designated a Title 1 school, meaning that its students average lower socioeconomic
and income levels.

Most of the schools you are hearing about, South Gate High, Bell Gardens ,Huntington Park , etc., where these students are protesting, are also Title 1 schools.

Title 1 schools are on the free breakfast and free lunch program. When I say free breakfast, I'm not talking a glass of milk and roll -- but a full breakfast and cereal bar with fruits and juices that would make a Marriott proud. The waste of this food is monumental, with trays and trays of it being dumped in the trash uneaten. (OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK )

I estimate that well over 50% of these students are obese or at least moderately overweight. About 75% or more DO have cell phones. The school also provides day care centers for the unwed teenage pregnant girls (some as young as 13) so they can attend class without the inconvenience of having to arrange for babysitters or having family watch their kids.(OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK)

I was ordered to spend $700,000 on my department or risk losing funding for the upcoming year even though there was little need for anything; my budget was already substantial. I ended up buying new computers for the computer learning center, half of which, one month later, have been carved with graffiti by theappreciative students who obviously feel humbled and grateful to have a free education in America . (OUR TAXDOLLARS AT WORK)

I have had to intervene several times for young and substitute teachers whose classes consist of many illegal immigrant students here in the country less then 3 months who raised so much hell with the female teachers, calling them "Putas"whores and throwing things that the teachers were in tears.

Free medical, free education, free food, day care etc., etc, etc. Is it any wonder they feel entitled to not only be in this country but todemand rights,privileges and entitlements ?

To those who want to point out how much these illegal immigrants contribute to our society because they LIKE their gardener and housekeeper and they like to pay less for tomatoes: spend some time in the real world of illegal immigration and see the TRUE costs.

Higher insurance, medical facilities closing, higher medical costs, more crime, lower standards of education in our schools, overcrowding, new diseases etc., etc, etc. For me, I'll pay more for tomatoes.

We need to wake up. The guest worker program will be a disaster because we won't have the guts to enforce it . Does anyone in their right mind really think they will voluntarily leave and return?


It does, however, have everything to do with culture: A third-world culture thatdoes not value education, that accepts children getting pregnant and dropping out of school by 15and that refuses
to assimilate , and an American culture that has become so weak and worried about " politically correctness" that we don't have the will to do anything about it.

If this makes your blood boil, as it did mine, forward this to everyone you know.
CHEAP LABOR? Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about?
Business doesn't want to pay a decent wage.
Consumers don't want expensive produce.
Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs.

But the bottom line is cheap labor. The phrase "cheap labor" is a myth , a farce, and a lie. There is no such thing as "cheap labor."

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for
$5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an Income Tax Return, he gets an "earned income credit" of up to $3,200 free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent.
He qualifies for food stamps.
He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care.
His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school.
He requires bilingual teachers and books.
He qualifies for relief from high energy bills.
If they are or become, aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI. Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare. All of this is at (our) taxpayer's expense .

He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance.
Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material.
He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits.

Working Americans
are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his.
The American taxpayers also pay for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.

Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Wake up people!

THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE ADDRESSING TO THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES FOR EITHER PARTY. 'AND WHEN THEY LIE TO US AND DON'T DO AS THEY SAY,WE SHOULD REPLACE THEM AT ONCE!'
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