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Old 11-03-2007, 12:05 AM
 
Location: NM
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Mach50Thunderdart
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Originally Posted by Choctaw2
Messicans headed out of Oklahoma - SoonerFans.com Message Boards

Try this link for the story ProLogic.

"Messicans"...

Racist? Possibly?

I find it ironic that the same people who say: "this has nothing to do with racism" then post to a forum that calls Mexicans "Messicans".

Nope nothing racist about that. 1 step forward 2 steps back.
Nope, absolutely nothing about racism on my part. I simply posted a link so that PL could read the story because a link did not work for him. Had I changed the words the link would not have worked. I did not write the article. Why is it that everyone who is pro- illegal is so quick to call those of us who are against illegals.... Racist?

 
Old 11-03-2007, 12:07 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Originally Posted by ProLogic View Post
I was born in the U.S so that already makes me a citizen. I'm in the process of becoming a Mexican citizen. I'm not putting anything before the country I am loyal to. Stop hassling me about it.
You are aware that the USA does not recognize dual citizenship, correct?

You are also aware that if you're in Mexico and get into trouble, you may not be able to count on the US government for help?

You SHOULD be aware that people will question your loyalty to this country if you are in the process of becoming a naturalized citizen of another country.
 
Old 11-03-2007, 12:10 AM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by nativeDallasite View Post
You are aware that the USA does not recognize dual citizenship, correct?

You are also aware that if you're in Mexico and get into trouble, you may not be able to count on the US government for help?

You SHOULD be aware that people will question your loyalty to this country if you are in the process of becoming a naturalized citizen of another country.

Your problem with this is..? How does any of it concern you?
 
Old 11-03-2007, 12:12 AM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Choctaw2 View Post
Nope, absolutely nothing about racism on my part. I simply posted a link so that PL could read the story because a link did not work for him. Had I changed the words the link would not have worked. I did not write the article. Why is it that everyone who is pro- illegal is so quick to call those of us who are against illegals.... Racist?
Who ever said I was pro-illegal? and the fact that it says Messican is racist towards me, not as an illegal. I take offense in that.
 
Old 11-03-2007, 12:12 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Your problem with this is..? How does any of it concern you?
I think you're a hypocrite, which makes your opinions worthless. Nothing personal.
 
Old 11-03-2007, 12:13 AM
 
Location: California
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I think you're a hypocrite, which makes your opinions worthless. Nothing personal.
Please elaborate for us then.
 
Old 11-03-2007, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Please elaborate for us then.
If you don't get it, why should I waste my time explaining it to you? You were born in this country but you want to become a citizen of Mexico. You're pro-illegal but haven't had to suffer any ill effects due to them because you're a middle-class CHILD still living at home with mommy and daddy. You don't have bills to pay, you don't pay taxes, and you don't have to support yourself. Ergo, your opinions on the effect illegals have on the rest of us are worthless.

Why don't you just move to Mexico?
 
Old 11-03-2007, 12:23 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ;1899386
How many mexicans have moved in around you? You must not have had to live in a city that has thousands, illegal, moving into middle class neighborhoods trashing them. I keep having to move further out of the city due to harrassment and just plain disrespect for Americans.
I never knew Mexicans were like this till I moved to Charlotte, NC.
It's rampant ignorant and racist views like these that make me embarrased to be associated as an American.
 
Old 11-03-2007, 12:42 AM
 
Location: California
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Originally Posted by nativeDallasite View Post
If you don't get it, why should I waste my time explaining it to you? You were born in this country but you want to become a citizen of Mexico. You're pro-illegal but haven't had to suffer any ill effects due to them because you're a middle-class CHILD still living at home with mommy and daddy. You don't have bills to pay, you don't pay taxes, and you don't have to support yourself. Ergo, your opinions on the effect illegals have on the rest of us are worthless.

Why don't you just move to Mexico?
Again, who says I'm Pro-illegal. You assume too much. And don't play the "Oh your mommy and daddy take care of you" you were once my age and were under the armpits of the rents. Why are they worthless? Do I not have a voice in the U.S? I can, enlist in the army at age 17 with parent consent. Next year I will become a legal adult and will become a registered voter. Why don't I have a say in the next presidential elections? I need to learn as much as I can. Or when am I supposed to learn it? I'm learning right now ain't I? Why don't I move to Mexico? I have no life there. I am no one there. I can retire there-- oh yes, I can retire there. But why deal with a corrupt government when I can get the next best thing in Florida right? I am not from Mexico, there is nothing in the U.S constitution that is against dual citizenship. If the U.S does not recognize dual citizenship then they don't consider my Mexican citizenship valid-- which means I can go to the good ol' U.S embassy if there are any mishaps.
 
Old 11-03-2007, 01:45 AM
 
Location: NM
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Look PL, You run so hot and cold with your posts, how can anyone tell whether you are pro or anti illegal.. I posted that link about the subject because you said the link someone else posted concerning the subject did not work for you.

But the above quote was not directed at you it was directed at Mach50Thunderdart who accused me of being a racist. Again I am not the one who used the term "Messican"... Had I changed the word the link would not have worked... I know links can be changed but I don't know how to change them. If you took offense that is your problem not mine. Being a Choctaw I have also experienced racial slurs many times. My Great Grand father and his brother, A sheriff, and Light Horseman, in what is now Pittsburg County, OK, were both shot and killed because of the hatered white men had for the Indian.

What many don't seem to understand is that Oklahoma is not just kicking out illegal Hispanics/Mexicans they are saying go home to ALL illegal Nationalites. Did you even bother to read the link I posted for you? Well FYI here is the artical I should have posted instead of just the link.

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Law cited in reverse migration

By ALEXIS CHARBONNIER World Correspondent
10/28/2007

Uncertain what might happen, many illegal immigrants are leaving the state for Mexico.

CASA BLANCA, Mexico -- If Oklahoma's House Bill 1804 is supposed to force people to leave the state and return to Mexico, it's working.

The law goes into effect Thursday, but it is already causing a reverse migration of illegal immigrants -- and their U.S. citizen children -- to Casa Blanca, a north-central Mexican town that has long supplied hundreds of illegal immigrants to Tulsa.

''You don't hear people talking about anything else here,'' said Lilia Esparza, who has been the town nurse since 1986. ''Everywhere I hear the phrase 'they're coming back!' ''

The Tulsa World revealed the Casa Blanca pipeline in a 2006 series of stories, which showed some 3,000 Tulsa workers, mostly illegal, had ties to the area.

Now, facing fears of lost jobs, homes and children in the United States, the tide is flowing back.

Esparza's statistics show that 49 families and 88 other U.S.-born children returned to Casa Blanca in the month of September alone.

Whether that trend will continue after the law goes into effect is an open question, especially if there isn't a harsh police enforcement effort.

Those returning home face a bleak scenario: camping out in Tulsa-bought trucks or crumbling, burglarized adobe homes this winter, huddling around campfires in a lawless small town on the frigid Mexican highlands.

The Oklahoma law makes it illegal to knowingly transport illegal immigrants, and it throws up state barriers to hiring of illegal immigrants.

It also requires employers seeking state contracts to use the federal status verification system for its employees and requires identification and proof of citizenship before people can receive certain benefits.

But, to the people of Casa Blanca, the consequences are starker.

''People said, 'What if we just get deported without warning? Will the kids stay behind?' '' Esparza said. ''There were rumors of massive, forced adoptions. They thought even newborns would be taken away.

''In September, the rumor was that immigration officers would be coming into the classrooms in Tulsa, which is why so many young kids were sent back to Mexico,'' Esparza said.

Esparza said a woman came into the clinic recently in Casa Blanca. She had gotten pregnant in Tulsa, but decided to come home to Mexico to give birth because she was afraid her baby would be taken from her in the hospital.

Juan Becerra, 40, a farmer in Mexico, lived in Tulsa for seven years before returning in early October. Becerra laid water mains, built sewers, roads and sidewalks for a contractor, making $12 an hour.

''Rumors are running that they're going to start picking people up before Nov. 1, and on Nov. 2, they're going to pick up anyone they see walking around,'' Becerra said.

Fatima Soriano, a 24-year-old medical school resident serving the town, said although many parents of the children sent home to Casa Blanca are going to try to stay in Tulsa until they're deported, many workers expect to be laid off on Oct. 31, accelerating the return to Mexico.

Laying low in Tulsa: While Tulsans with U.S. citizen and permanent resident status will most likely stay put, those without legal documents have three options. The first is staying in Tulsa and adopting a wait-and-see attitude.

Antonio Barrera, 24, worked in construction in Tulsa for $13 an hour, helping to build St. Francis Heart Hospital. He returned home in early October.

''Most of them are going to chance it and stay in Tulsa to save their houses and trucks,'' Barrera said.

''They're more discreet,'' Becerra said. ''It's not like it used to be: drinking, shouting and gunshots. People are saying, 'I'll drink at home from now on.'

''The streets are deserted now. On Fridays, Mexicans just load up the car with groceries and go home.''

Moving east: The second option for illegal immigrants in Tulsa is to move on to another state with more lenient immigration laws.

Arkansas is the most frequently mentioned destination.

''It's safer there, and there's lots of work,'' said Becerra, who said that if he were to go back to the United States, he'd go to Arkansas.

''Lots of people are planning on moving there,'' he said.

Chicago, Dallas and Denver were other destinations mentioned, as many immigrants have family members in those cities.

Going home: Gustavo Bernal, 60, the mayor of Casa Blanca and a retired elementary-school teacher, described the return to Casa Blanca as ''a forced, panicked retreat.''

He said about 500 more people are expected to come home, putting an enormous strain on local services.

Tulsa residents are sending home whatever they own, mostly furniture and major appliances.

About 20 such trips have already made it to Casa Blanca, Bernal said.

Filled to the brim, these pickups and trailers are driven by people who hold visas. Casa Blancans in Tulsan who own two trucks are sending one home now and keeping the other for the return home.

Dr. Soriano has seen the signs of this phenomenon. Many people have come to her for medicine because they're going back north, not to immigrate, but to bring more truckloads of belongings back, she said.

Maria Elena Gaytan, 37, is a shopkeeper in Casa Blanca. Her brothers have been in Tulsa for seven years, and they're among the ones returning.

''People are coming back who lived in Tulsa for seven to 10 years,'' Gaytan said. ''They had kids, houses and belongings up there.

''They're coming back home with whatever they can salvage.''

Esparza said many of those returning are young families who had left for Tulsa in the last six years.

''They're sending home the kids, the ones that were raised in Tulsa. The American Dream fizzled out for them. They hadn't planned on coming back, but they were just so afraid.''

Reversing the trend: Cristian Becerra Bernal, 15, is a high school student in nearby Zacatecas. He's one of the potential migrants thinking twice about heading to Oklahoma.

''I wanted to go to Tulsa, but I don't want to anymore,'' he said. ''If I go, I'll get caught. I might go to a different place in the U.S. This has been all over the TV, and nobody wants to go north now.''

Mayor Bernal said: ''About 50 families a month are coming back. The tide has turned. Before, nobody was coming home.''
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