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Old 05-09-2013, 12:53 AM
 
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Damn! There it is! We can solve the whole illegal immigration problem by just eliminating Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Welfare, Food stamps and insisting on forced abortions for any potential anchor babies.

Problem solved.
Nope, just welfare. You can't have porous borders and a welfare state.
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Old 05-09-2013, 12:54 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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It costs money to build a border fence and we don't have money at the moment.

Besides, more illegal immigrants come from Asia now, so should we build a fence across the Pacific???

Just get rid of immigration quotas and get rid of the stupid immigration rules and let them come legally and pay their taxes.

Every country in the world should have open immigration. That is, not allowing criminals.
so every nation should be forced to allow in people/groups/culture that are antithetical to there cultures?


I don't value diversity, I value unity, unit of a common culture, belief, values.

why cant some culture exist by them selves? why can Germany be for the Germans, Russia for the Russians, Japan just for the Japanese people? Mexico just for the Mexicans?

the uniqueness of those nations, and its people are unique to that nation and those people and no one else. to take that away is theft and treason, at worst it is genocide..

what is genocide?

The deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
Genocide - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

why is it that if you stand against this passive version of it you are called "racist" "xenophobic" or some other name?


look at the word diversity, it has the word division in it..

enough of this moral relativism, all cultures are not the same, and do not have the same value..

case in point list of American inventions

Google




For god sakes we put a man on the moon and back,

all cultures, nations and races have the right to exist and exist as they are, they don't have the right to deny that to any other culture, nation, and race,
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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so every nation should be forced to allow in people/groups/culture that are antithetical to there cultures?


I don't value diversity, I value unity, unit of a common culture, belief, values.

why cant some culture exist by them selves? why can Germany be for the Germans, Russia for the Russians, Japan just for the Japanese people? Mexico just for the Mexicans?

the uniqueness of those nations, and its people are unique to that nation and those people and no one else. to take that away is theft and treason, at worst it is genocide..

what is genocide?

The deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group.
Genocide - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

why is it that if you stand against this passive version of it you are called "racist" "xenophobic" or some other name?


look at the word diversity, it has the word division in it..

enough of this moral relativism, all cultures are not the same, and do not have the same value..

case in point list of American inventions

Google






For god sakes we put a man on the moon and back,

all cultures, nations and races have the right to exist and exist as they are, they don't have the right to deny that to any other culture, nation, and race,

America has always been a melting pot of all the diverse cultures on the planet. We are the point of the arrow of human development. What with our constitution and all.
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:14 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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What a great way to go forward...ignore the past.
Let's also forget other tragic events and go dancing in the streets.
who said anything about ignoring the past, if you had learned anything we the people got screwed by Ted Kennedy in 1965 and again 1986.. you would know this if you learned history.

And what would you have us do? spend all of our time crying?
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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You have now .


[emphasis added]

Gee, that sounds familiar. Ah, yes, now I remember - the East Germans did the same thing:



What I find ironic is that some people say that Obama is a socialist and here come some Republicans wanting to resurrect the Berlin Wall for the Mexican border. Governments have a long and sordid history of walling off borders and then proceeding to control the exit of people and their money when the going gets tough for a given government. Being concerned about such things is not based on paranoia, but the wisdom that comes from an understanding of history.

The fact is that virtually all people who want to live and work in the United States from other countries are no more out to kill people or commit acts of terrorism than people who come into New York or Texas from other states. Free migration of people and capital increases economic opportunity and wealth because people can live, work, and invest wherever they think is best without being harassed by government. You are the one that is best qualified to choose where you live, work, and keep your money, not government. Immigration restrictions are merely another form of central planning that holds people back from fulfilling their potential by dictating where they may live and work.

There's actually a good example of open borders right now - the borders between different states. Americans are free to live and work in whatever state they please with no questions asked, yet there's no problem with out-of-staters stealing jobs or terrorists coming from a different state, because the local police force deals with criminal "immigrants" just like they deal with a native criminal. Open borders throughout the world would function in much the same way - no restriction on which country you live and work in, but each country retains full sovereignty over its territory.

If there is a problem with violence on the border, it should be dealt with by finding the perpetrators and bringing them to justice in the jurisdiction where they committed the crime, i.e. the same way you deal with violence anywhere. Closing the border and putting restrictions on innocent people is not the solution.
you are the one use moral relativism to compare the action of the USSR to enslave the hard working, productive workers of there nation to prop up their economy, to the United States protecting its self culturally and economically.

You compare the action of Americans exercising their Constitutional protected rights of freedom of travel within America itself. That is not the same as crossing into another sovereignty nation.

We in America all speak the same language, have the same values and beliefs(for the most part), and have certain and highly unique views that only exist in our culture and what our culture values
such as the following are some of many cultural values.

Liberty
Free market principles
Private property
The Rule of law being just in its nature IE being derived by natural law and impartial in its rule.
A strong and infringed 2nd amendment.

Now we as a nation (for the most part sadly) hold these values, other people from other nations don't.

You fail to understand that most people of the 3rd world have been raised in the Statist/Collectivist camp and do not hold these values.


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Old 05-09-2013, 01:47 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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Because it will fragment natural habitats, disrupt migration routes, and threaten biodiversity in extraordinary areas (Sonoran, Chihuahuan Deserts).

Political boundaries are a hassle to the natural world.
you care about the natural habitats? what about the tons of garbage mostly plastic that are left behind? or the fires that grow out of control?
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Old 05-09-2013, 01:55 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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America has always been a melting pot of all the diverse cultures on the planet. We are the point of the arrow of human development. What with our constitution and all.
melting pot? its more of a melt down...

You are right that we are the arrow of human development, but that made us this is our lover of liberty and free not safety and security. most of the world has choice the later, at best they live in darkness and poverty...at worse well look at the mass graves of the victims of democide over the last 300 years.

we have stumble a little but we have gotten it right, unfortunately we need to bring in people who have the same values as us. not people with values that are antithetical and harmful to this nation, and the beliefs can values it was founded upon.
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Old 05-09-2013, 03:07 AM
 
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America has always been a melting pot of all the diverse cultures on the planet. We are the point of the arrow of human development. What with our constitution and all.
One of the most ignorant western nations is the arrow of human development? Hilarious

Guns are legal. That means the USA is still stuck in the Wild Wild West days.

American Life is still centered around the automobile

Your economy resembles trickle down economics also known as horse and sparrow economics

Almost 2 outta every ten people are without health insurance

Crime, drugs and poverty are still an epidemic in 2013

You are still Imperialists fighting 3 wars in the last 20 years

You can't even legally consume alcohol outside

Please, get yourself a passport and experience life off the USA island.
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Old 05-09-2013, 05:50 AM
 
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I wonder if the native american's had this same discussion way back.
Which ones? Many Native Americans sold land to Europeans.
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Old 05-09-2013, 07:49 AM
 
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You have now .


[emphasis added]

Gee, that sounds familiar. Ah, yes, now I remember - the East Germans did the same thing:



What I find ironic is that some people say that Obama is a socialist and here come some Republicans wanting to resurrect the Berlin Wall for the Mexican border. Governments have a long and sordid history of walling off borders and then proceeding to control the exit of people and their money when the going gets tough for a given government. Being concerned about such things is not based on paranoia, but the wisdom that comes from an understanding of history.

The fact is that virtually all people who want to live and work in the United States from other countries are no more out to kill people or commit acts of terrorism than people who come into New York or Texas from other states. Free migration of people and capital increases economic opportunity and wealth because people can live, work, and invest wherever they think is best without being harassed by government. You are the one that is best qualified to choose where you live, work, and keep your money, not government. Immigration restrictions are merely another form of central planning that holds people back from fulfilling their potential by dictating where they may live and work.

There's actually a good example of open borders right now - the borders between different states. Americans are free to live and work in whatever state they please with no questions asked, yet there's no problem with out-of-staters stealing jobs or terrorists coming from a different state, because the local police force deals with criminal "immigrants" just like they deal with a native criminal. Open borders throughout the world would function in much the same way - no restriction on which country you live and work in, but each country retains full sovereignty over its territory.

If there is a problem with violence on the border, it should be dealt with by finding the perpetrators and bringing them to justice in the jurisdiction where they committed the crime, i.e. the same way you deal with violence anywhere. Closing the border and putting restrictions on innocent people is not the solution.
Who said anything about closing the border? There will always be points of entry. Spin, much? It isn't the Berlin wall either. I see you're just another open borders freak who hasn't a clue how important soveirgn borders are for the citizens within those borders. Educate yourself rather than spouting utopian, feel good nonsense.
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