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Old 05-08-2013, 08:11 PM
 
Location: M I N N E S O T A
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We should make a large stone wall on the border and paint it red white and blue, we can call it "The great wall of America"
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:23 PM
 
Location: Laurentia
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I don't see a problem with a fence proposal. I haven't really seen anyone opposed to the idea either.
You have now .

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It's not a simple fence but a double layered wall in the most porous areas. It would assist the BP to do their jobs more effectively.
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Gee, that sounds familiar. Ah, yes, now I remember - the East Germans did the same thing:



What I find ironic is that some people say that Obama is a socialist and here come some Republicans wanting to resurrect the Berlin Wall for the Mexican border. Governments have a long and sordid history of walling off borders and then proceeding to control the exit of people and their money when the going gets tough for a given government. Being concerned about such things is not based on paranoia, but the wisdom that comes from an understanding of history.

The fact is that virtually all people who want to live and work in the United States from other countries are no more out to kill people or commit acts of terrorism than people who come into New York or Texas from other states. Free migration of people and capital increases economic opportunity and wealth because people can live, work, and invest wherever they think is best without being harassed by government. You are the one that is best qualified to choose where you live, work, and keep your money, not government. Immigration restrictions are merely another form of central planning that holds people back from fulfilling their potential by dictating where they may live and work.

There's actually a good example of open borders right now - the borders between different states. Americans are free to live and work in whatever state they please with no questions asked, yet there's no problem with out-of-staters stealing jobs or terrorists coming from a different state, because the local police force deals with criminal "immigrants" just like they deal with a native criminal. Open borders throughout the world would function in much the same way - no restriction on which country you live and work in, but each country retains full sovereignty over its territory.

If there is a problem with violence on the border, it should be dealt with by finding the perpetrators and bringing them to justice in the jurisdiction where they committed the crime, i.e. the same way you deal with violence anywhere. Closing the border and putting restrictions on innocent people is not the solution.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Palo Alto
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please tell me how can you be against a Border Fence?

How can you be against it? don't play the race card, it has been the first and last card in the statist deck, a card you can no longer use.
Who's gonna take care of my lawn?
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Tucson/Nogales
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Israel merely employs land mines! Lot cheaper!

And? A stray cow may step on one of those mines, and it's dinner time!
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:37 PM
 
Location: texas
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This is a section of fence at Nogales AZ



Now multiply nogales by 2000 miles of soutren border that looks like this...



The 15 mile fence at San Deigo CA cost around 1 million per mile.

That was in a urban area with all supplies close to hand.

Not to mention most of the land on the border is private property.

The fence is not build right on the "property line"....it is built 100 to 500 ft from the border cutting off ranchers land.

Logistics, cost
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:40 PM
 
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You have now .


[emphasis added]

Gee, that sounds familiar. Ah, yes, now I remember - the East Germans did the same thing:



What I find ironic is that some people say that Obama is a socialist and here come some Republicans wanting to resurrect the Berlin Wall for the Mexican border. Governments have a long and sordid history of walling off borders and then proceeding to control the exit of people and their money when the going gets tough for a given government. Being concerned about such things is not based on paranoia, but the wisdom that comes from an understanding of history.

The fact is that virtually all people who want to live and work in the United States from other countries are no more out to kill people or commit acts of terrorism than people who come into New York or Texas from other states. Free migration of people and capital increases economic opportunity and wealth because people can live, work, and invest wherever they think is best without being harassed by government. You are the one that is best qualified to choose where you live, work, and keep your money, not government. Immigration restrictions are merely another form of central planning that holds people back from fulfilling their potential by dictating where they may live and work.

There's actually a good example of open borders right now - the borders between different states. Americans are free to live and work in whatever state they please with no questions asked, yet there's no problem with out-of-staters stealing jobs or terrorists coming from a different state, because the local police force deals with criminal "immigrants" just like they deal with a native criminal. Open borders throughout the world would function in much the same way - no restriction on which country you live and work in, but each country retains full sovereignty over its territory.

If there is a problem with violence on the border, it should be dealt with by finding the perpetrators and bringing them to justice in the jurisdiction where they committed the crime, i.e. the same way you deal with violence anywhere. Closing the border and putting restrictions on innocent people is not the solution.
The problem is that you can't have a welfare state and open/porous borders though. 100 years ago America just needed labor and could not turn to the state for help. Today though, we have an advanced level economy. Bringing in educated Chinese and Indians makes sense because they are the least likely to be a drain on society. Uneducated S. Americans are among the most likely to be a drain on society.

Do you see a difference in the borders here?


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Old 05-08-2013, 08:40 PM
 
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Because a fence can't stop a determined man.
Oh, but it can:

Berlin Wall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Korean Demilitarized Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:42 PM
 
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Israel merely employs land mines! Lot cheaper!

And? A stray cow may step on one of those mines, and it's dinner time!
Interesting idea.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Berlin wall, counting the City and all the three sectors of allied forces was only 124 miles in length. Big difference between that and the southern border. Also the east german border patrol had orders to shoot to kill. Perhaps you can lobby your tea party representatives to pass some legislation to that effect.

DMZ in Korea is totally different. It is two armies facing each other with all their power. I doubt a chipmunk could cross.
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:53 PM
 
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Who's gonna take care of my lawn?
I am a very good lawn tractor driver
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