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Old 05-11-2013, 07:51 AM
 
Location: texas
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Originally Posted by It'sAutomatic View Post
Here are two beliefs often held by conservatives. I just had a light bulb moment and realized that they're not in any way compatible:

"Immigration (legal or not) is bad because it takes jobs from Americans."
&&&
"If people are unhappy with their current economic situation, they should work to change it instead of demanding policies to get help from the government."

Thoughts?
You realize what many have known for awile. The Hypocrisy of the C-D flip-flopper. On the illegal immagration forum, they are screaming for the "American worker"..and on other forums, they blast protectionism and the low-skilled, low wage worker.

Epic flip-flopping that would have Mitt Romey's head spinnig.

 
Old 05-11-2013, 08:11 AM
 
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You realize what many have known for awile. The Hypocrisy of the C-D flip-flopper. On the illegal immagration forum, they are screaming for the "American worker"..and on other forums, they blast protectionism and the low-skilled, low wage worker.

Epic flip-flopping that would have Mitt Romey's head spinnig.
What? I have never read in any forums from any who are anti-illegal immigration at the same time demonizing low skilled American workers.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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You realize what many have known for awile. The Hypocrisy of the C-D flip-flopper. On the illegal immagration forum, they are screaming for the "American worker"..and on other forums, they blast protectionism and the low-skilled, low wage worker.

Epic flip-flopping that would have Mitt Romey's head spinnig.
Stop it, please.

I'm gonna say that MOST Americans would prefer to have "low wage, low skilled workers" IF they're US citizens over ILLEGAL aliens doing the same kind of work. Too; MOST of those jobs done by illegal aliens are NOT in agriculture.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 12:52 PM
 
Location: texas
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Stop it, please.

I'm gonna say that MOST Americans would prefer to have "low wage, low skilled workers" IF they're US citizens over ILLEGAL aliens doing the same kind of work. Too; MOST of those jobs done by illegal aliens are NOT in agriculture.


Most Americans may prefer to have Americans over illegals doing low wage-low skilled workers, but not many Americans are taking low wage-low skilled jobs.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 02:56 PM
 
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Most Americans may prefer to have Americans over illegals doing low wage-low skilled workers, but not many Americans are taking low wage-low skilled jobs.
If they aren't getting them it is because the employers are hiring cheap, illegal labor instead.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 04:25 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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Unless you are 100% Native American, all of us have ancestors that came from another country. Mine came from Europe in the 1920s. But guess what, they did it legally, learned the language and everything else they needed to become US citizens as soon as possible, worked hard and paid taxes.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 04:52 PM
 
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Unless you are 100% Native American, all of us have ancestors that came from another country. Mine came from Europe in the 1920s. But guess what, they did it legally, learned the language and everything else they needed to become US citizens as soon as possible, worked hard and paid taxes.
Even the so-called native Americans migrated here from somewhere else.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 05:06 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Unless you are 100% Native American, all of us have ancestors that came from another country. Mine came from Europe in the 1920s. But guess what, they did it legally, learned the language and everything else they needed to become US citizens as soon as possible, worked hard and paid taxes.
What was "everything else they needed to become US citizens"?...
 
Old 05-11-2013, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Pa
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Most Americans may prefer to have Americans over illegals doing low wage-low skilled workers, but not many Americans are taking low wage-low skilled jobs.
I keep hearing this argument and yet where are the facts to support it.
American dairy farmers are low paid hard working and yet continue to do the job. I know I grew up on such a farm, I am surrounded by such farms and believe it or not they don't seem to be hiring illegals. I do enough welding and repairs around the local farms I might have noticed a non English speaking illegal.
Construction. Well illegals have flooded this market working as drywallers, laborers and other areas. How? Well when the contractor pays $8 or 10 an hour and its tax free it that's like someone making 10 to 14 an hour.
Here where I live it's local kids working the McDonalds and BK. The local landscapers? I see locals working for them.
Maybe its the fact that this area wouldn't tolerate someone sending an illegal to work in their yard.
 
Old 05-12-2013, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by It'sAutomatic View Post
Here are two beliefs often held by conservatives. I just had a light bulb moment and realized that they're not in any way compatible:

"Immigration (legal or not) is bad because it takes jobs from Americans."
&&&
"If people are unhappy with their current economic situation, they should work to change it instead of demanding policies to get help from the government."



Thoughts?
You should read the comments a NY Times article about immigration. You'll quickly learn it's not only conservatives who are against illegal immigration and mass immigration in general.
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