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Old 05-10-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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Since you're suggesting children are stealing bread for their mothers, how about sharing your source for those charges?
I've just made an example.

But parents have used kids to steal for them. There was an incident in my city where the mother was apprehended at a store because she used her son to steal.

 
Old 05-11-2013, 12:42 PM
 
Location: texas
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500 million in Public safety? How is public safety dollars divided between citizens, legal, and illegal residents?

These assessments of costs are as accurate as counting unicorns...

this guy was not specific in the least as to what monies went to what program and whom was recieving the benefits...Why???? Because he has no way to count which dollars goes to whom.

Typical Ripley's "believe it or Not". If you want to believe in Unicorns and Bigfoot...go ahead.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 12:51 PM
 
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Decent people don't attack children who are innocents in this debate.
The children aren't innocent if they're getting on welfare handouts. And these same children will also give birth at very young ages and expect to go on getting welfare handouts.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 12:54 PM
 
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Since you're suggesting children are stealing bread for their mothers, how about sharing your source for those charges?
And it's not really so different than a child being used to collect welfare handouts that obviously benefit the parents. And these children are being used by the parents as their free pass around the immigration laws that better quality people obey and follow. The parents are using these children to access that which they themselves are not entitled to. If the parents were coming to work hard and improve themseleves, then we would not see such a high rate of welfare dependency in this crowd. They'd work and buy their own food, pay their own medical bills.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 03:04 PM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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Default With all due respect, sincerely...

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5. The level of government support cited in the linked article relates to children, if I've read it correctly. Decent people don't attack children who are innocents in this debate.
I beg to differ with you, stating facts may be difficult to accept, however, it is what it is gm and in no way should be viewed as an attack on children who are innocents in this debate.

If innocent children receive benefits due to a parent's decision to birth their innocent children on U.S. soil in order to have them automatically be confirmed as an American citizen then I would have to come to the conclusion that the illegal immigrant parent is the guilty party in this debate.

Indeed, where are the decent people who immigrate to this country illegally and have their children born on U.S. soil for the direct purpose of American citizenship and the many benefits which allow them to set up a tidy householed at the expense of the American taxpayer??

Best regards, sincerely

HomeIsWhere...

Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 03:10 PM
 
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I beg to differ with you, stating facts may be difficult to accept, however, it is what it is gm and in no way should be viewed as an attack on children who are innocents in this debate.

If innocent children receive benefits due to a parent's decision to birth their innocent children on U.S. soil in order to have them automatically be confirmed as an American citizen then I would have to come to the conclusion that the illegal immigrant parent is the guilty party in this debate.

Indeed, where are the decent people who immigrate to this country illegally and have their children born on U.S. soil for the direct purpose of American citizenship and the many benefits which allow them to set up a tidy householed at the expense of the American taxpayer??

Best regards, sincerely

HomeIsWhere...

Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
And that needs to change, IMO. If birthright citizenship doesn't get changed then the parents should have to be the qualifer to collect government subisidies for the family.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 03:27 PM
 
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Who is responsible for raising your kids? The government or you?
 
Old 05-11-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: East of the Mississippi and South of Bluegrass
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Who is responsible for raising your kids? The government or you?
For all intents and purposes, pertaining to this discussion, apparently the American taxpayer via the American government.

Best regards, sincerely

HomeIsWhere...
 
Old 05-11-2013, 04:24 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Who is responsible for raising your kids? The government or you?
Well the kid can't get the EBT card in his own name so you're his proxy til he turns 18.
But pretty much the government is giving you money to raise your kid is what's happening.
 
Old 05-11-2013, 05:25 PM
 
Location: Springville, AL
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And that needs to change, IMO. If birthright citizenship doesn't get changed then the parents should have to be the qualifer to collect government subisidies for the family.
Do you realize about change the birthright citizenship require constitution change - that means they have pass the constitutional amendment to remove the birthright citizenship so that's extremely difficult. That means you need 2/3 from each chamber (house, senate) and 3/4 from states.
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