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Old 11-01-2007, 03:15 PM
 
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The contentious illegal immigration issue has caused me to wonder, how can we have a discussion about the TRUE nature of the controversy, yet at the same time avoid "playing the race card" by either side?
The easiest example that came to mind is to call it what it is---basically an economic, labor-oriented "turf war". Illegals have been here from the beginning. Now that they "threaten" the middle class, all "H*ll" has broken loose.
Perhaps it would be valuable to go back and look at some of the horrendous conflicts in American labor. Organized labor (unions) banded together to protect powerless worker from greedy management. When a strike was called, management sometimes reacted by calling in "scabs" to take up the strikers' jobs--usually at lower pay.

Horrible violence resulted. Killings, bombings. beatings, imprisonment, tear-gassing, intimidation, and massive arson and property damage resulted from some of these strikes. Hired "thugs" battled with angry strikers, who often turned their violent wrath upon the "scabs". In one instance, striking coal miners in Kentucky, driven from their "company housing" and living in tents, were actually BOMBED from airplanes (summoned by the Coal Operators)....

In the final analysis, ALL of this strife was because of one thing--One "group" of workers was willing to move in on another group, and "underbid" them, work "cheaper", and, with management's blessing, TAKE AWAY THEIR JOBS.

Are there any parallels between these labor "wars" and modern-day illegal immigration? Not so much a "racial" issue, isn't it really a matter of one group seeing the other group of threatening "its" livelihood?

Your comments would be interesting.....
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:52 PM
 
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I would agree with you to the extent that quite a few illegals seem to be going for more mainstream jobs rather than just picking crops. You do make a legitimate comparison to other ethnic groups who have come to the United States looking for a new life. However, it still comes down to the fact that it is NOT just an economic issue with this particular group of "immigrants". Most all of the other ethnic groups that came to the U.S. before, might very well have underbid, undermined, yada yada to get their piece of the American economic pie. But at the same time they worked just as hard to be "American", to assimilate, learn the language. No allowances were EVER made for them in that regard. In my opinion, that is what is fueling the resentment. Sure, illegals have been here for a long time but the attitude that they now have a right to the "American" dream without investing in what it takes to truly become an American is not helping their cause one bit.
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Old 11-01-2007, 03:58 PM
 
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Illegals should never pull out the race card when it comes to Illegal Immigration-- it really makes no sense at all. I'm Brown like them, do I agree with their want of open borders? No.
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Old 11-01-2007, 04:34 PM
 
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Illegals should never pull out the race card when it comes to Illegal Immigration-- it really makes no sense at all. I'm Brown like them, do I agree with their want of open borders? No.
Thanks for BOTH posts so far--toryturner, you've hit on an important point not often mentioned--probably due to a "cultural misunderstanding"--and that is the general, overall perception of "ingratitude" that seems to hover over the whole issue, I guarantee that if illegals ever had a "Thank you Uncle Sam" rally in downtown LA. they'd have gringos lined up to cheer them on, and offering to help them. Most of us are "suckers" for just a LITTLE praise and thanks.
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Old 11-01-2007, 04:55 PM
 
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I disagree with the "threaten the middle class" idea. We got fed up with them constantly marching and protesting for more rights, when they automatically get free medical, food, monthly allotments, free denistry, education, scholarships. If there is 1 spanish speaking person in a class, we have to hire a teacher for that student, whether illegal or not. Give an inch, and they'll take a mile. We even provided adult tutoring to all who couldn't speak English. I'm a reading tutor for adults. We couldnt get many people at all to tutor! They didn't want to learn English. They said they didnt need to speak English. Yet, they want to take advantage of every other free thing and protest for more. We just got fed up. They brought it on themselves by protesting for their "rights." They are ungrateful. We hand out free Food Baskets for the hungry. No questions asked. These illegals every time ask things like who's gonna pay their rent? what about their utilities, who's gonna pay that? It gets old. Have a little pride and try supporting yourself for a change!
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