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Old 05-13-2013, 08:34 PM
 
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A poll conducted by the NYT showed that only 43% of Americans are in favor, dropping from 56% in February. In addition, the number of Americans who say "Go home illegal immigrants" has increased from 20% to 32% at the same time.

Amnesty proposal for illegal immigrants getting cold shoulder from Americans - National Watchdog Politics | Examiner.com
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Old 05-13-2013, 08:55 PM
 
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You really need to take a look at the mentioned poll (NYT/CBS) to get the real results and not rely on what people from organizations like Numbers USA, Fair and the other xenophobic organizations that fantasize. By the way did you ever hear of a man name John Tauton? If not do some research.
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Old 05-13-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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You really need to take a look at the mentioned poll (NYT/CBS) to get the real results and not rely on what people from organizations like Numbers USA, Fair and the other xenophobic organizations that fantasize. By the way did you ever hear of a man name John Tauton? If not do some research.
It's not mentioned at the "Examiner", but there is a reason for that. Here it is in entirety, also listing past poll results from NYT/CBS: http://s3.documentcloud.org/document...s-cbs-poll.pdf

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Old 05-13-2013, 09:53 PM
 
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Questions 8, 23, 25, 42, and 45 through 50 are on various aspects of immigration and illegal aliens, and the end has important enough of information on the demographics of those polled...

EDIT: The Examiner article covers question 42, which has the same current percentage results across the board as 11 months ago. Over time, the percentage is increasing (February had the highest score over the last five years) for letting illegal aliens stay and acquire citizenship. Conversely, the percentage of "required to leave jobs, U.S." has cycled back and forth from 20 to 38 percent (dropping to the lowest in February, then jumping up partially for this poll), and is currently at 32%.

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Old 05-14-2013, 06:45 AM
 
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You really need to take a look at the mentioned poll (NYT/CBS) to get the real results and not rely on what people from organizations like Numbers USA, Fair and the other xenophobic organizations that fantasize. By the way did you ever hear of a man name John Tauton? If not do some research.
So you are claiming that the poll is being misinterpreted or misquoted then? Of course the pro-illegals don't like Numbers USA and FAIR because they are opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty and limiting legal immigration to the numbers that won't negatively impact our own citizens. It just doesn't go along with the pro-illegal's opposite agenda. I know who John Tanton is and as usual because he was for the same sensible immigration policies he was called a racist, xenophobe. Is that a surprise?
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Old 05-14-2013, 07:44 AM
 
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The poll under discussion was not specific to the immigration debate, but, rather, a general all-encompasing multi-issue poll which did not ask questions about the immigration reform proposal under consideration in the U.S. Senate. It did, though, ask one multi-part question about one key point under discussion:

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Which comes closest to your view about illegal immigrants who are currently living in the United States? A) They should be allowed to stay in the United States and to eventually apply for US citizenship. B) They should be allowed to remain in the United States, but not be allowed to apply for U.S. citizenship. C) They should be required to leave the U.S.
By a margin of 52%-41%, the clear majority of 1,471 respondents favored allowing the illegal immigrants to stay in the United States and to eventually apply for US citizenship.

Polls are simply snapshots in time of the opinions of relatively small groups of people. Samplings which "experts" inform us are representative of the nation as a whole. I don't rely on one or two polls as being an indication of how the nation feels about the question/issue asked. And it's important to review the questions to see what's actually being asked. What we don't know is the way something is asked .. the inflection in the voice of the pollster, etc. But the polls do give us food for thought/discussion.
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Old 05-14-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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The poll under discussion was not specific to the immigration debate, but, rather, a general all-encompasing multi-issue poll which did not ask questions about the immigration reform proposal under consideration in the U.S. Senate. It did, though, ask one multi-part question about one key point under discussion:



By a margin of 52%-41%, the clear majority of 1,471 respondents favored allowing the illegal immigrants to stay in the United States and to eventually apply for US citizenship.

Polls are simply snapshots in time of the opinions of relatively small groups of people. Samplings which "experts" inform us are representative of the nation as a whole. I don't rely on one or two polls as being an indication of how the nation feels about the question/issue asked. And it's important to review the questions to see what's actually being asked. What we don't know is the way something is asked .. the inflection in the voice of the pollster, etc. But the polls do give us food for thought/discussion.
Which is exactly what I have been saying all along about the polls that reflect the opposite opinion also. It is all about how a poll is worded and how many options are given to choose from, who was being polled and who the pollster is. If it is a left leaning pollster then the outcome will reflect the opposite of a right leaning one.
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Old 05-14-2013, 09:01 AM
 
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Which is exactly what I have been saying all along about the polls that reflect the opposite opinion also. It is all about how a poll is worded and how many options are given to choose from, who was being polled and who the pollster is. If it is a left leaning pollster then the outcome will reflect the opposite of a right leaning one.
But you trumpet them when you think they support your stance:

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A poll conducted by the NYT showed that only 43% of Americans are in favor, dropping from 56% in February. In addition, the number of Americans who say "Go home illegal immigrants" has increased from 20% to 32% at the same time...
You really need to read this poll. I favor the NYT/CBS ones, because they record the answers long-term, tend to phrase the questions the same way over time, and show demographic data at the end.
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Old 05-14-2013, 10:46 AM
 
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So you are claiming that the poll is being misinterpreted or misquoted then? Of course the pro-illegals don't like Numbers USA and FAIR because they are opposed to illegal immigration and amnesty and limiting legal immigration to the numbers that won't negatively impact our own citizens. It just doesn't go along with the pro-illegal's opposite agenda. I know who John Tanton is and as usual because he was for the same sensible immigration policies he was called a racist, xenophobe. Is that a surprise?
From this poll, question asked;

"Would you favor or oppose providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the U.S. if they met certain requirements, like paying fines and back taxes, passing criminal background checks and learning English?"
Sounds like a question even a 2 year old would understand, right? 83 percent of those polled answered yes.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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From this poll, question asked;

"Would you favor or oppose providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the U.S. if they met certain requirements, like paying fines and back taxes, passing criminal background checks and learning English?"
Sounds like a question even a 2 year old would understand, right? 83 percent of those polled answered yes.
That's because they actually think those things will be followered through on when they will not. Many Americans are clueless as to the huge costs of this law in so many ways. Many think they are only doing jobs Americans won't do. Poll Americans who are actually informed on this issue and see what the results would be rather than the clueless, bleeding hearts and ethnocentrics many of whom I am sure respond to polls.
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