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Old 05-14-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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Not only bad for black people but all ethnicities.
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Old 05-16-2013, 02:54 AM
 
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I read that lower income Blacks in South Central Los Angeles, Inglewood, and Compton can not even get fast food jobs and custodial jobs anymore, because the Illegals are taking them all.
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Old 05-16-2013, 09:39 PM
 
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I read that lower income Blacks in South Central Los Angeles, Inglewood, and Compton can not even get fast food jobs and custodial jobs anymore, because the Illegals are taking them all.
You see that pretty much all along the border, there's a new way to discriminate against them and that is to require native Spanish fluency. "Se solita mesero" pretty much means "English speakers need not apply".
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Old 05-16-2013, 10:36 PM
 
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I read that lower income Blacks in South Central Los Angeles, Inglewood, and Compton can not even get fast food jobs and custodial jobs anymore, because the Illegals are taking them all.
And if they voted for Obama then they can blame themselves for this stupidity !!!
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Old 05-17-2013, 12:09 AM
 
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Not only bad for black people but all ethnicities.
About ****ing time, I've been wondering what century the NAACP et al would wake up and recognize that this fake "immigration reform" crud the congress is trying to hoodwink the public about would stand up and say something. It is clear who will continue to suffer the most, low-income blacks and hispanics, I cannot fathom why they have not stood up and demonstrated to stop it.
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Old 05-17-2013, 04:03 AM
 
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You see that pretty much all along the border, there's a new way to discriminate against them and that is to require native Spanish fluency. "Se solita mesero" pretty much means "English speakers need not apply".
Job prospects for lower income Blacks in Dallas and Houston can not be good either. Especially since those cities have a HUGE Illegal Immigrant population.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:14 AM
 
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I read that lower income Blacks in South Central Los Angeles, Inglewood, and Compton can not even get fast food jobs and custodial jobs anymore, because the Illegals are taking them all.
Why do you suppose that is??? It's the sensation sweeping the nation. They work.
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:29 AM
 
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I've often said, if you want to cure the illegal problem in the US, you have to learn to manage the herd, not try to eliminate it (which you can't). How?

Charge them 5K to get in on a temporary visa while literally blocking the border except at these checkpoints. Use 2K of the 5K to give them shots, test for TB (common in their ranks relative to Americans), take a sample of DNA, Retinal Scans, and fingerprints. Use 1K to immediately subsidize the border construction which is non-existent today, for the most part anyway. Use the last 2K to cover general admission.

Then what?

Well, for those that can get in, they get a temporary employment card. Everywhere they go, the employers will have to tax at the following rate regardless of where they work:

1) Standard Income Tax
2) No social security benefits but, they will have to pay ss to help us shore it up. Not fair? Don't care, you are here as a GUEST, don't push it. Besides, we couldn't come down THERE and get away with it, could we?
3) No voting rights, you are a guest
4) 10-15% healthcare tax. Monies go to the county in which you work or the metro area to cover the inevitable use of our healthcare system. And yes, they pay deductibles as well
5) 10% school tax. You use them, pay for them.

Net net? roughly 35-50% taxation. Don't like it? Don't come. Period. It's is STILL 5X what you would make down there and IF you so much as commit the most minor of crimes, we would lock you up and throw away the key as we now have your DNA, fingerprints and retinal scans for record keeping...all HIPPA compliant of course....

Fork two......give those on unemployment an INCENTIVE to get off. What is that you say? Simple, healthcare benefits. Right now, you have people malingering on unemployment as they can't make a dime more working minimum wage for 40 hours...why bother? In a perverse way you can understand it. No incentive. Give those single moms, unemployed dads a reason to get off the backside. If they have kids, this might be one way to make some believe it's possible. Take away the free healthcare and I guarantee they will find the strength to TAKE the jobs now filled by illegal aliens.

By taking those jobs you get back on your feet, have medical insurance for your family, cut the cost of unemployment in half for businesses, and drive the illegals back out of the country as those jobs won't be available as much as before. There is a reason they have them. They work, hard. That, and no one in America wants them. There is no incentive.

It would be cheaper to pay their health insurance, perhaps raise the minimum wage by $1 an hour, and throw in some transportation subsidy than to continue to subsidize the illegals who use your schools, top tier medical facilities as a doctor's office, with no co-pay, all gratis.

And that 5K? It's annual. Don't like it, leave. The next 500,000 behind you will. Limit the number that can come in during any given year (5 million?) as they are typically the ones who cook your food, wash your dishes, clean your house, build your house, wash your cars, make up your hotel bed, cut your grass, pressure wash your driveways, serve your food, paint your house, fix your toilets, lay your cement, replace your roof, and clean your kids schools as no American can seem to find those jobs....

You can't hate them. If you were in their shoes you would do the same thing. At least they are willing to ride a freight train, at their peril, cross a desert and risk their lives all for a minimum wage job most americans won't take as long as their subsidies are in place to dissuade them. The Hispanics work hard as anyone you will ever find and without them, the majority of small, service sector businesses would fail.

Take one tour through any strip mall in any major city in America and look at who is working there. You think there might be a reason? Don't eliminate them, manage them. Also, use that second prong to help ease some Americans back to work...

Only way I see out of it now....
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Old 05-17-2013, 06:44 AM
 
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I've often said, if you want to cure the illegal problem in the US, you have to learn to manage the herd, not try to eliminate it (which you can't). How?

Charge them 5K to get in on a temporary visa while literally blocking the border except at these checkpoints. Use 2K of the 5K to give them shots, test for TB (common in their ranks relative to Americans), take a sample of DNA, Retinal Scans, and fingerprints. Use 1K to immediately subsidize the border construction which is non-existent today, for the most part anyway. Use the last 2K to cover general admission.

Then what?

Well, for those that can get in, they get a temporary employment card. Everywhere they go, the employers will have to tax at the following rate regardless of where they work:

1) Standard Income Tax
2) No social security benefits but, they will have to pay ss to help us shore it up. Not fair? Don't care, you are here as a GUEST, don't push it. Besides, we couldn't come down THERE and get away with it, could we?
3) No voting rights, you are a guest
4) 10-15% healthcare tax. Monies go to the county in which you work or the metro area to cover the inevitable use of our healthcare system. And yes, they pay deductibles as well
5) 10% school tax. You use them, pay for them.

Net net? roughly 35-50% taxation. Don't like it? Don't come. Period. It's is STILL 5X what you would make down there and IF you so much as commit the most minor of crimes, we would lock you up and throw away the key as we now have your DNA, fingerprints and retinal scans for record keeping...all HIPPA compliant of course....

Fork two......give those on unemployment an INCENTIVE to get off. What is that you say? Simple, healthcare benefits. Right now, you have people malingering on unemployment as they can't make a dime more working minimum wage for 40 hours...why bother? In a perverse way you can understand it. No incentive. Give those single moms, unemployed dads a reason to get off the backside. If they have kids, this might be one way to make some believe it's possible. Take away the free healthcare and I guarantee they will find the strength to TAKE the jobs now filled by illegal aliens.

By taking those jobs you get back on your feet, have medical insurance for your family, cut the cost of unemployment in half for businesses, and drive the illegals back out of the country as those jobs won't be available as much as before. There is a reason they have them. They work, hard. That, and no one in America wants them. There is no incentive.

It would be cheaper to pay their health insurance, perhaps raise the minimum wage by $1 an hour, and throw in some transportation subsidy than to continue to subsidize the illegals who use your schools, top tier medical facilities as a doctor's office, with no co-pay, all gratis.

And that 5K? It's annual. Don't like it, leave. The next 500,000 behind you will. Limit the number that can come in during any given year (5 million?) as they are typically the ones who cook your food, wash your dishes, clean your house, build your house, wash your cars, make up your hotel bed, cut your grass, pressure wash your driveways, serve your food, paint your house, fix your toilets, lay your cement, replace your roof, and clean your kids schools as no American can seem to find those jobs....

You can't hate them. If you were in their shoes you would do the same thing. At least they are willing to ride a freight train, at their peril, cross a desert and risk their lives all for a minimum wage job most americans won't take as long as their subsidies are in place to dissuade them. The Hispanics work hard as anyone you will ever find and without them, the majority of small, service sector businesses would fail.

Take one tour through any strip mall in any major city in America and look at who is working there. You think there might be a reason? Don't eliminate them, manage them. Also, use that second prong to help ease some Americans back to work...

Only way I see out of it now....

Illegals are not doing jobs that Americans won't do. They just do them cheaper and therefore greedy employers hire them above Americans. All the jobs you have mentioned have always been done by Americans and some are entry level jobs for our American youth. Hispanics legal or illegal do not work any harder than a non-hispanic does. This issue has nothing to do with hate. There are always risks involved when one steals and breaks laws. Sorry, but I don't find that to be an honorable trait.

We have quotas for legal immigration for good reasons. Illegal immigration negates the sane immigration policies we have in place. We don't need illegal immigrants for anything. If we actually did we would raise our legal immigration quotas. We cannot allow in every poor, needy, unskilled, uneductated foreigner that wants to come here. I don't understand why you aren't comprehending that.
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Old 05-17-2013, 07:19 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Caleb Longstreet View Post
I've often said, if you want to cure the illegal problem in the US, you have to learn to manage the herd, not try to eliminate it (which you can't). How?

Charge them 5K to get in on a temporary visa while literally blocking the border except at these checkpoints. Use 2K of the 5K to give them shots, test for TB (common in their ranks relative to Americans), take a sample of DNA, Retinal Scans, and fingerprints. Use 1K to immediately subsidize the border construction which is non-existent today, for the most part anyway. Use the last 2K to cover general admission.

Then what?

Well, for those that can get in, they get a temporary employment card. Everywhere they go, the employers will have to tax at the following rate regardless of where they work:

1) Standard Income Tax
2) No social security benefits but, they will have to pay ss to help us shore it up. Not fair? Don't care, you are here as a GUEST, don't push it. Besides, we couldn't come down THERE and get away with it, could we?
3) No voting rights, you are a guest
4) 10-15% healthcare tax. Monies go to the county in which you work or the metro area to cover the inevitable use of our healthcare system. And yes, they pay deductibles as well
5) 10% school tax. You use them, pay for them.

Net net? roughly 35-50% taxation. Don't like it? Don't come. Period. It's is STILL 5X what you would make down there and IF you so much as commit the most minor of crimes, we would lock you up and throw away the key as we now have your DNA, fingerprints and retinal scans for record keeping...all HIPPA compliant of course....

Fork two......give those on unemployment an INCENTIVE to get off. What is that you say? Simple, healthcare benefits. Right now, you have people malingering on unemployment as they can't make a dime more working minimum wage for 40 hours...why bother? In a perverse way you can understand it. No incentive. Give those single moms, unemployed dads a reason to get off the backside. If they have kids, this might be one way to make some believe it's possible. Take away the free healthcare and I guarantee they will find the strength to TAKE the jobs now filled by illegal aliens.

By taking those jobs you get back on your feet, have medical insurance for your family, cut the cost of unemployment in half for businesses, and drive the illegals back out of the country as those jobs won't be available as much as before. There is a reason they have them. They work, hard. That, and no one in America wants them. There is no incentive.

It would be cheaper to pay their health insurance, perhaps raise the minimum wage by $1 an hour, and throw in some transportation subsidy than to continue to subsidize the illegals who use your schools, top tier medical facilities as a doctor's office, with no co-pay, all gratis.

And that 5K? It's annual. Don't like it, leave. The next 500,000 behind you will. Limit the number that can come in during any given year (5 million?) as they are typically the ones who cook your food, wash your dishes, clean your house, build your house, wash your cars, make up your hotel bed, cut your grass, pressure wash your driveways, serve your food, paint your house, fix your toilets, lay your cement, replace your roof, and clean your kids schools as no American can seem to find those jobs....

You can't hate them. If you were in their shoes you would do the same thing. At least they are willing to ride a freight train, at their peril, cross a desert and risk their lives all for a minimum wage job most americans won't take as long as their subsidies are in place to dissuade them. The Hispanics work hard as anyone you will ever find and without them, the majority of small, service sector businesses would fail.

Take one tour through any strip mall in any major city in America and look at who is working there. You think there might be a reason? Don't eliminate them, manage them. Also, use that second prong to help ease some Americans back to work...

Only way I see out of it now....
here's the thing-these illegals are LAWBREAKERS now so they have zero respect for the law.

does anyone really think they will obey laws that don't benefit them? we have been sold out, and are continuing to be sold out by all those people who think they are going to get a new "voting bloc" out of it.

really sad times for america-and legal citizens.

and don't tell me how "hard" they work-please-why can't they get jobs in their own countries then (particularly mexico) when mexico's unemployment rate is lower than our own???

you know why mexico's unemployment rate is lower-they control their own borders!

not one more immigrant until we get our employment situation under control, period. I hope a movement starts within both parties to kick out the people making the deals that don't benefit the citizens, and I would proud to be in that movement.
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