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View Poll Results: Immigration enforcement should be the responsibility of the Federal Government only
In all cases immigration laws is the responsibility of the Federal Government 4 30.77%
State Governments should enforce their own immigration laws 1 7.69%
What ever law enforcement person comes in contact with the illegals first should arrest them 8 61.54%
Voters: 13. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-02-2007, 07:35 AM
 
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Over and over, I hear from people who want open borders that Cities and States have no business enforcing federal immgration law. They say immigration is a federal issue. I wonder if most people still believe this.

The border should be enforced by the federal government but I think local and state police need to step in and enforce the law in the countries interior in the absence of the necessary support of the federal government. As our nation gets larger, the federal government will have a harder time controlling our country. More responsibility will fall on state and local government. I am afraid immigration enforcement will be one of those issues. Do you agree or disagree?
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:43 AM
 
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I disagree. Like the national defense, immigration needs to be coordinated by a central government. After all, it is federal law and not state or local law that labels people "illegal."

I believe it is a violation of states' rights for the federal government to require states to enforce backwards federal immigration laws. If you leave enforcement up to the states, then each state should have the right to decide who is illegal within their territory and who is not--and that's an unworkable situation from the get-go.
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:49 AM
 
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Country Lines = Federal Issue
State Lines = State Issue

Illegal entry is declared at the Country line.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:19 AM
 
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Yes, it's a federal law, but I don't understand why states have to disobey those laws, like the feds are doing.

Why can't individual states apply the federal law that is on the books, if the feds refuse to do it themselves?

I would think that it would be lawful to do that. Why would it be unlawful for a state to obey a federal law? That's what people seem to mean when they say, "it's up to the federal government".

Well, the Federal Govt. has laws on the books, so they've done their job, and each state can uphold those laws. Why can't both the federal govt. and the state govt. uphold the same federal laws?
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:26 AM
 
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You "immigrate" from country to country, not state-to-state. The fact that the "Feds" aren't doing their job is beside the point. The "Minute Men" are also doing what the Feds will not do--and are tremendously unpopular for their efforts. They have earned the hostility of both illegals AND law-enforcement....
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Denver
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You "immigrate" from country to country, not state-to-state. The fact that the "Feds" aren't doing their job is beside the point. The "Minute Men" are also doing what the Feds will not do--and are tremendously unpopular for their efforts. They have earned the hostility of both illegals AND law-enforcement....
Minute-Men are unpopular because it is pretty much an all white A-Team. Which may say something.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:32 AM
 
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The minute-men are QUITE popular with many citizens.

Our Constitution says that the federal govt. has to protect states from illegal invasion, and they are not doing it. Sometimes, the citizens must stand up and do it themselves, unfortunately.
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:35 AM
 
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And guess who issues passports?
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Old 11-02-2007, 10:26 AM
 
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Minute-Men are unpopular because it is pretty much an all white A-Team. Which may say something.
The group actually has a number Hispanic members and backers---Al Garza of Arizona is one among many. I'd hate to think the opposition to the Minute Men was because "they're White"....and it's certainly not because "they're aggressive"---(they are unarmed old guys with binoculars).

If a person was honest, I think the worst that could be said about The Minute Men is that they are "pests"....and that they are an "embarrassment". They shouldn't exist at all. In this sense, the fact that they DO exist serves as an embarrassment to the "Feds", who SHOULD be stopping the illegals that the Minute Men are "observing"---if the Feds did their job, the Minute Men would get bored and go home.

Even the top "Fed", Bush, has never made a coherent mention of this group. Once, he mumbled that he "doesn't like vigilantes"...then refused to comment further.

The Minute Men are equivalent to a Neighborhood Watch group. These groups exist when the proper authorities are unable, or unwilling, to do the job they were hired to do. Neighborhood Watch members are not vigilantes.
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Old 11-02-2007, 10:35 AM
 
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I wonder what Bush would do if hundreds of illegals per day crossed his ranch...
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