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Old 05-18-2013, 12:06 PM
 
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We don't know if any refugees end up become terrorist like families from Chechnya and it is very unpredictable, however our LEO will go after terrorist and we have anti-terrorist law that passed after 9/11. The terrorists can be any religions and any beliefs - like Atlanta bombing in 1996 wasn't Muslim extremist.

Yes, I agree, we need stop accept all or most refugees from any countries, including Muslim countries, however US still offer amnesty under limited/strict circumstance - allowed by law or court.

Anyone come to US from Mexico because of economic reason is inexcusable, however their government is extremely corrupted and a lot of drug wars. I wish that our government should do something to change Mexico - to improve the economic and securities in Mexico so many people don't have to immigrate to US illegally.

I think German family has more luck than poor Mexican family because Germany is much richer than in Mexico, very low crime, better education, better life, so I believe German family can change their law via legislature action.
Well actually Mexico's constitution and form of government really are not so bad, and Mexico is a democracy so Mexicans pick their leaders just like we do -- the problem is that they refuse to elect better leaders and are quite consistent a one-party kind of voter.

Mexico's middle class is actually growing quite fast -- ours is not, our middle class is declining. Mexico's unemployment rates are far lower than those of the US.

Anyone in Mexico who finishes public school education, who waits to start having children until they've finished their education and gets a job (their unemployment rate is very low) and marries before starting a family and limits family size to what he/she can afford will almost surely be middle class.

We're getting the drop outs, the ones who have many children they cannot support, the failures who cannot change lifestyles in order to join their country's large and growing middle class.
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Old 05-18-2013, 08:39 PM
 
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Most refugees and asylum cases seem to be a joke. Just like all those from any democratic nation like Mexico running from their cartel that they got themselves involved in.

It's just far too easy to come here and live off government handouts than work for change back home, but this German family unlike the Chechnov terrorist family that WAS give ayslum and all kinds of welfare handouts was likely at least productive and hard working. There does seem to be a racist agenda with asylum today.
Most asylum seekers/refugees are not Mexicans. They're Asians/Middle Easterners. It used to be that the majority of asylum seekers/refugees were from Vietnam or the USSR/former USS republics. Not anymore.

The Chinese abuse the system in the extreme, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there with genuine cases who should be granted relief. The Chinese aren't even in the top 10 of nationals with successful refugee claims.

Asylum in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm the granddaughter of Jewish European refugees, so I support genuine claimants and am proud that the US accepts more asylees/refugees than any other OECD nation.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Springville, AL
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Most asylum seekers/refugees are not Mexicans. They're Asians/Middle Easterners. It used to be that the majority of asylum seekers/refugees were from Vietnam or the USSR/former USS republics. Not anymore.

The Chinese abuse the system in the extreme, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there with genuine cases who should be granted relief. The Chinese aren't even in the top 10 of nationals with successful refugee claims.

Asylum in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm the granddaughter of Jewish European refugees, so I support genuine claimants and am proud that the US accepts more asylees/refugees than any other OECD nation.
Yes, look at number in Latin America - must be most Cubans.
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Old 05-18-2013, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Jacurutu
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Most asylum seekers/refugees are not Mexicans. They're Asians/Middle Easterners. It used to be that the majority of asylum seekers/refugees were from Vietnam or the USSR/former USS republics. Not anymore.

The Chinese abuse the system in the extreme, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there with genuine cases who should be granted relief. The Chinese aren't even in the top 10 of nationals with successful refugee claims.

Asylum in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm the granddaughter of Jewish European refugees, so I support genuine claimants and am proud that the US accepts more asylees/refugees than any other OECD nation.
DHS also does a yearly report, here it is for 2012: http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/fil...fa_fr_2012.pdf
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Old 05-19-2013, 12:48 AM
 
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Most asylum seekers/refugees are not Mexicans. They're Asians/Middle Easterners. It used to be that the majority of asylum seekers/refugees were from Vietnam or the USSR/former USS republics. Not anymore.

The Chinese abuse the system in the extreme, but that doesn't mean that there aren't people out there with genuine cases who should be granted relief. The Chinese aren't even in the top 10 of nationals with successful refugee claims.

Asylum in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm the granddaughter of Jewish European refugees, so I support genuine claimants and am proud that the US accepts more asylees/refugees than any other OECD nation.
I realize that -- although there are very many now from Mexico claiming asylum now. And of course U visas which is asking for fraud.

The bombing in Boston was carried out by refugees from Chechnya -- and shows the problem with our no-questions asked refugee policy where the family was receiving all kinds of welfare handouts but had plenty of money to travel back and forth quite frequently -- if they were refugees, why were they so unafraid to return home to their own part of the world? Why are terrorists like the Chechnyan family given asylum but better quality people are not?

The Vietnamese refugees are another example of refugees that were able to adapt and assimilate. You don't hear of issues with them.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:12 AM
 
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I realize that -- although there are very many now from Mexico claiming asylum now. And of course U visas which is asking for fraud.
Mexico isn't on top, according to DHS report and isn't common as Cuba. Most refugees come to US from Latin America is Cuba and sizable numbers from Venezuela.

In Mexico case, the asylum can be granted if their life is in threatened because of drug cartels on northern border of Mexico, but it wasn't easy because judge won't grant to all of them, except for handful of people.

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The bombing in Boston was carried out by refugees from Chechnya -- and shows the problem with our no-questions asked refugee policy where the family was receiving all kinds of welfare handouts but had plenty of money to travel back and forth quite frequently -- if they were refugees, why were they so unafraid to return home to their own part of the world? Why are terrorists like the Chechnyan family given asylum but better quality people are not?
Chechnya is very unstable region and they went into war at twice so it is dangerous for anyone, especially tourists to visit those area. Compare between Chechnya and Germany are extremely different, completely different.

How did you know Chechen families receive welfare from US government? Got prove?

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The Vietnamese refugees are another example of refugees that were able to adapt and assimilate. You don't hear of issues with them.
There are many Muslim people were able to adapt and assimilate too and only very small percent are terrorist or troublemaker.

Many Muslim countries are unstable (usually government, political, conflict) so they are qualify for asylum under existing immigration law.
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Old 05-19-2013, 03:20 PM
 
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Mexico isn't on top, according to DHS report and isn't common as Cuba. Most refugees come to US from Latin America is Cuba and sizable numbers from Venezuela.

In Mexico case, the asylum can be granted if their life is in threatened because of drug cartels on northern border of Mexico, but it wasn't easy because judge won't grant to all of them, except for handful of people.



Chechnya is very unstable region and they went into war at twice so it is dangerous for anyone, especially tourists to visit those area. Compare between Chechnya and Germany are extremely different, completely different.

How did you know Chechen families receive welfare from US government? Got prove?



There are many Muslim people were able to adapt and assimilate too and only very small percent are terrorist or troublemaker.

Many Muslim countries are unstable (usually government, political, conflict) so they are qualify for asylum under existing immigration law.
Yes, the Boston terrorists who bombed those poor people at the Boston Marathon were Chechnyan refugees who despised the USA and the American people and they were living off welfare handouts even while collecting their frequent flyer miles from all their trips back home. That's all in the news now.
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Old 05-19-2013, 03:31 PM
 
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And here is a politically correct apparently cartel family that is also here for asylum and their refugee freebies.

They were working for the Juarez cartel in the Valley of Juarez, many as lookouts for the cartel in the war with the Sinaloa cartel. Yes, because of their involvement in the cartel wars, some lost their lives but these are criminal narco-traffickers, not homeschoolers.

The Reyes-Salazar family flee Mexico seeking asylum as entire families flee Northern Mexico | Frontera List

I don't know if you remember this family but they are the family of El Sapo aka Miguel Angel Reyes Salazar who was the cartel bodyguard of El Rikin aka Jose Escajeda -- a very violent cartel boss of the Juarez cartel.

The Deadliest Place In Mexico | The Texas Observer

Violent cartel thugs and Chechnyan terrorists are given asylum but German homeschoolers are not -- strange "refugee" attitudes we have -- violent blood thirsty criminals = okay.

But back to the OP's point --- why are many millions of illegals going to be given amnesty as their reward for breaking immigration laws and committing felony document fraud? Why are they somehow superior to this family? Regardless of whether they should be given refugee status and all the government handouts that go with it -- what's so special about the many millions of illegals that they will be invited to stay but this family gets the boot?
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Springville, AL
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They were working for the Juarez cartel in the Valley of Juarez, many as lookouts for the cartel in the war with the Sinaloa cartel. Yes, because of their involvement in the cartel wars, some lost their lives but these are criminal narco-traffickers, not homeschoolers.

Violent cartel thugs and Chechnyan terrorists are given asylum but German homeschoolers are not -- strange "refugee" attitudes we have -- violent blood thirsty criminals = okay.
We didn't grant the asylum to terrorists and criminals, and they were originally clean person at beginning before break the law, so we don't know about anyone become criminal or terrorist - very unpredictable. Dzhokhar came to US as child and Tamerlan came to US as teen so we didn't know they are terrorist until decade later. They met asylum requirement because they were from unstable region (Chechnya and northern border of Mexico) but German family don't meet asylum requirement because Germany is extremely stable. That's huge difference.

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But back to the OP's point --- why are many millions of illegals going to be given amnesty as their reward for breaking immigration laws and committing felony document fraud? Why are they somehow superior to this family? Regardless of whether they should be given refugee status and all the government handouts that go with it -- what's so special about the many millions of illegals that they will be invited to stay but this family gets the boot?
We don't have amnesty program (except for old program under 1986 immigration law) for illegal immigrants, also house version and senate version of immigration bill aren't passed yet. All illegal immigrants will face deportation when caught by LEO and asylum is very uncommon for millions of immigrants.
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Old 05-19-2013, 05:51 PM
 
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Well actually Mexico's constitution and form of government really are not so bad, and Mexico is a democracy so Mexicans pick their leaders just like we do -- the problem is that they refuse to elect better leaders and are quite consistent a one-party kind of voter.

Mexico's middle class is actually growing quite fast -- ours is not, our middle class is declining. Mexico's unemployment rates are far lower than those of the US.

Anyone in Mexico who finishes public school education, who waits to start having children until they've finished their education and gets a job (their unemployment rate is very low) and marries before starting a family and limits family size to what he/she can afford will almost surely be middle class.

We're getting the drop outs, the ones who have many children they cannot support, the failures who cannot change lifestyles in order to join their country's large and growing middle class.
Mexico is only poor compared to much more developed nations like The United States and Canada for example. But on a world scale, there are many countries that are worst off than Mexico when it comes to extreme poverty.

Like for example most of Mexico's Central American neighborhoods suffer from a higher percentage of poverty.

I would rather live in Mexico than El Salvador or Nicaragua.
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