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Old 05-29-2013, 11:00 PM
 
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I was talking to lifeexplorer. Some of you are perfectly aware of how difficult it is for the average foreigner to immigrate to the U.S. in 2013, and believe that despite this, the rule of law is most important, and you view illegal immigrants as strictly law breakers. Okay I understand that.

However lifeexplorer is not aware of how difficult it is, when he/she thinks illegal immigrants are simply too lazy to get in line in Mexico. That's plain ignorant. There is no line in Mexico where you can apply for a green card, unless you have family in the U.S. There are only two options: break the law by going to the U.S., or stay in Mexico.
Then STAY in Mexico, please. Sheesh!

Like I said before we DON'T owe ANY alien the "right" to come to the US.

 
Old 05-30-2013, 08:59 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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There are only two options: break the law by going to the U.S., or stay in Mexico.
The response to this is simple, given the choices: "stay in Mexico."
 
Old 05-30-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I was talking to lifeexplorer. Some of you are perfectly aware of how difficult it is for the average foreigner to immigrate to the U.S. in 2013, and believe that despite this, the rule of law is most important, and you view illegal immigrants as strictly law breakers. Okay I understand that.

However lifeexplorer is not aware of how difficult it is, when he/she thinks illegal immigrants are simply too lazy to get in line in Mexico. That's plain ignorant. There is no line in Mexico where you can apply for a green card, unless you have family in the U.S. There are only two options: break the law by going to the U.S., or stay in Mexico.
I think you skipped the part where most illegals have made absolutely no attempt to enter legally.
Please allow me one question. If I told you no, you can not come in my house. Would you circle around looking for an unlocked door or an open window so that you could enter anyway?
 
Old 05-30-2013, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Oakland, CA
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I think you skipped the part where most illegals have made absolutely no attempt to enter legally.
I'm not arguing that the illegals who came over as adults have a right to be here, only that they are certainly not lazy. I agree with Packard fan and gomexico: the only legal thing these people can do is stay in Mexico and never enter the U.S..

Using your analogy, the illegals didn't attempt to enter legally because the front door says "No Entry".
 
Old 05-30-2013, 02:06 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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I think you skipped the part where most illegals have made absolutely no attempt to enter legally.
An estimated 5 million of the estimated 11 million illegal aliens are said to have entered the country legally ... and then didn't leave or seek a renewal when their visas expired (student, visitor and other visa categories). So that large number did originally enter legally. As for the estimated 6 million illegal aliens who didn't first have permission to enter the country, there's no way for any one of us to know how many may have made what turned out to be an unsuccessful attempt to come to the USA legally. It's probably a very small percentage of the 6 million, but I don't doubt some did make the attempt. In just Mexico alone, the turn-down rate is very high from what I understand.
 
Old 05-30-2013, 02:14 PM
 
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An estimated 5 million of the estimated 11 million illegal aliens are said to have entered the country legally ... and then didn't leave or seek a renewal when their visas expired (student, visitor and other visa categories). So that large number did originally enter legally. As for the estimated 6 million illegal aliens who didn't first have permission to enter the country, there's no way for any one of us to know how many may have made what turned out to be an unsuccessful attempt to come to the USA legally. It's probably a very small percentage of the 6 million, but I don't doubt some did make the attempt. In just Mexico alone, the turn-down rate is very high from what I understand.
Mexicans and other Latinos hold the highest quotas for legal immigration into our country. They probably are the largest group here through family unifications also. I don't see how this equates to a high turn-down rate.
 
Old 05-30-2013, 02:17 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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I don't see how this equates to a high turn-down rate.
Okay, you don't "see how." Fine. I suggest you buy yourself a pair of glasses, because you don't seem to see very much. What is it about Hispanics in general that seems to scare you so much?
 
Old 05-30-2013, 03:11 PM
 
Location: Pa
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I'm not arguing that the illegals who came over as adults have a right to be here, only that they are certainly not lazy. I agree with Packard fan and gomexico: the only legal thing these people can do is stay in Mexico and never enter the U.S..

Using your analogy, the illegals didn't attempt to enter legally because the front door says "No Entry".
So if I have a no entry sign on my front door it is acceptable to sneak through an open window? Should said individual then be allowed to stay?
The USA allows more legal immigration than all other nations combined. Obviously it is not impossible.
 
Old 05-30-2013, 03:29 PM
 
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Okay, you don't "see how." Fine. I suggest you buy yourself a pair of glasses, because you don't seem to see very much. What is it about Hispanics in general that seems to scare you so much?
Since I don't see how Mexicans are being discriminated against in our legal immigration quotas why don't you explain to me how they are? Knock off you insinuations. I don't have a problem with Hispanics who come here legally and don't put their ethnic group above our immigration laws. How is that being "scared". The word is objection to illegal immigration and those who support it.
 
Old 05-30-2013, 03:34 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Since I don't see how Mexicans are being discriminated against in our legal immigration quotas why don't you explain to me how they are? Knock off you insinuations. I don't have a problem with Hispanics who come here legally and don't put their ethnic group above our immigration laws. How is that being "scared". The word is objection to illegal immigration and those who support it.
I asked the question because you almost always use references to Mexicans, Hispanics, Latinos. What about the more than 5 million illegal aliens who aren't Mexican, Hispanic or Latino? Maybe I've overlooked something, but it seems to me your objections are centered solely on the Spanish-speaking peoples. Maybe broaden your language to be inclusive of all illegal aliens and not just those who speak Spanish to avoid the appearance of singling-out just one grouping of people.
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