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Old 05-17-2013, 11:48 AM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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With bipartisan support in the U.S. House of Reprentatives, the Speaker has announced the House will move immigration reform legislation this session. The House bill will differ from what the Senate may approve, and that's partially the result of the House wanting to have some leverage/place at the table in a conference committee which would then write the final bill to be submitted to the House and Senate for a vote. A good sign that the Speaker is 'on board.' The devil is in the details, though.

One article: WASHINGTON: After Democrat brinksmanship, House group finds agreement on immigration bill - Political Currents - MiamiHerald.com

 
Old 05-17-2013, 02:43 PM
 
Location: California
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With bipartisan support in the U.S. House of Reprentatives, the Speaker has announced the House will move immigration reform legislation this session. The House bill will differ from what the Senate may approve, and that's partially the result of the House wanting to have some leverage/place at the table in a conference committee which would then write the final bill to be submitted to the House and Senate for a vote. A good sign that the Speaker is 'on board.' The devil is in the details, though.

One article: WASHINGTON: After Democrat brinksmanship, House group finds agreement on immigration bill - Political Currents - MiamiHerald.com
The house bill will be completely different then the Senate bill, neither will pass the others version. This CIR is DOA.
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Going forward, the politics become trickier. The bill has to go through the House Judiciary Committee, which is stacked with conservatives.
In the Senate, Florida’s Marco Rubio says their bill can’t survive in the Republican House as currently drafted. But a too-conservative bill could suffer in the Democratic Senate.
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Old 05-17-2013, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Did they remove the 300+ amendments ?
 
Old 05-17-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Did they remove the 300+ amendments ?
Which legislation are you referring to? No 300+ amendments added to the Senate proposal, and the House proposal being discussed hasn't been introduced yet, to the best of my knowledge. Nobody knows what these bills will look like when/if they're passed ... but the Speaker has gone out-front now and I don't think he'd be doing that only to embarass himself down the road. We'll see, in time.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 12:14 PM
 
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The house bill will be completely different then the Senate bill, neither will pass the others version. This CIR is DOA.
I certainly hope so.

Even the illegals are souring on that Senate bill -- they want absolutely no limits on immigration, they're very angry that illegals coming after 2011 might find some restrictions, they were expecting instant citizenship and most assumed family reunification that was promised them really meant family the way they culturally view family which is the whole very extended family. They didn't think it was going to be defined and limited to the American definition of family which is legal spouse and minor children.

The illegals are insisting that $500 fees are too high and they should not have to pay them. They too are not happy with the Senate bill so unless the House bill is far more lax then the illegals will not like it.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 12:20 PM
 
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The Senate version is absurd -- the fees and fines are far too low, almost meaningless. There is no provision for a thorough bi-national background check -- simply using the stolen identification an illegal may have used for a background check is beyond silly.

The Senate version also mentions that the illegals coming after 2011 won't get in on this big amnesty but doesn't say they'll be deported either. Apparently they will just continue to live here as illegals -- demanding their rights.

The Senate version doesn't solve a single problem and creates many more. No punishment and fines for those who hired the illegals in the first place? That's idiotic -- every employer of an illegal should be fined at the very least $10,000 and required to pay all back social security taxes as well as Medicare and federal income taxes for their illegals.

And what does the Senate have as the retirement plan for the more elderly illegals it makes legal? Who will pay for their health care costs, their housing and food costs when they no longer want to work for a living. There seems to be no age restriction so that we would at least not have to end up with the illegals getting too old to work.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 12:29 PM
 
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The whole thing is absurd. There's no need to pass a bill to "reform." There's already been a path to citizenship for over 60 years.

Go back home, apply for green card and become a citizen like every law abiding immigrant!!!
 
Old 05-18-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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The whole thing is absurd. There's no need to pass a bill to "reform." There's already been a path to citizenship for over 60 years.

Go back home, apply for green card and become a citizen like every law abiding immigrant!!!
But but but but - that would require some effort and personal responsibility. They would have to finish their educations, get some kind of needed job skill to fill jobs in need of skilled workers. They would have to be responsible about starting a family, maybe delay that until age 21 or 22, get their education out of the way first.

If they could do all that, they'd be making it in their own country though and wouldn't need to come here.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 04:28 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The deferred status bill will pave the way for amnesty. They got the process down now.
In 8 months they've process near 300,000 applications out of 500,000 and only 2000 were denied.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Phila Pa
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The whole thing is absurd. There's no need to pass a bill to "reform." There's already been a path to citizenship for over 60 years.

Go back home, apply for green card and become a citizen like every law abiding immigrant!!!
The ironic thing about "go back home and apply for a green card", is not so easy for those that entered the country "legally" on visas and over stayed. Under current law if they self deport, they are banned from re applying for 10 years. On the other hand a Mexican that jumped the border illegally could just walk right back into Mexico and immediately apply for a visa.
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