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Old 05-18-2013, 08:28 AM
 
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A watered down America with less cohesiveness is what the globalist no allegiance to anything but money azzholes want. They'll get it. We've gottin to big to succeed. A population that votes for government control over their lives and works for peanuts.... Total success for the shadow government elitist ****s

 
Old 05-18-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat View Post
I've been closely following the issue of illegal immigration since July of 2001, and even back then they were citing the number 12 million. I really believe at this point the number is closer to 50 million, and I wonder why even so-called "conservatives" such as Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. keep quoting the more than ten year old estimate of "12 million".

Now that they have told the world its amnesty time again ,many more are flying in on visas for vacations,work ,education and all kinds of reasons,they will not leave they will be here for the free for all. Border agents said the illegals from the south has increased more than ever since the new amnesty.Don't forget canada where millions of middle eastern come in across the north border too.

This will not end well for the illegals or us because no nation can care for this many poor unskilled workers. So all these amnesty chasers will suffer too,but they can go home where illegal means illegal,no amnesty or citizenships given there,no getting in their nations streets and making more demands for more free welfare benefits or medical care.Try to go to mexico undocumented,see what kind of old gulag type prison you end up in after they tell you to leave and you don't. Go to any middle eastern or asian nation and see what happens.

Its not the people most Americans care for all peopel,its the idead that they come in univited then make demands on us to support their large families and speak theri language,press one to speak english is wrong.

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And now we're a very populated country that doesn't need billions of immigrants. Do we need a nation of 400 billion people just because the liberal masters want unlimited numbers of cheap servants?

Remember when those earlier immigrants came, there were many fewer people around, there was land to be homesteaded -- and Indians to be rounded up and put on reservations, is that something that you intend to repeat? There is no more unowned land.

Also back then, impoverished immigrants didn't end up on welfare handouts as they do today.

The indians were done wrong on many issues,but they too had issues,like not ownign land and expecting everyone else not to own land either.Plus they were killing and warrign between tribes and mexicans long before we came over. Its not like all indians were singing kumbaya when we arrived.Don't forget the french and spanish had been here for awhile and much was bought from them.

Artifacts also prove that there were others here before the aisans aka eskimos came across the frozen ice. What happened to those people?

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Ok, but we didn't' have all these social welfare programs back then did we ?
They relied on family to get their start.

What happens when they all sign up for welfare benefits ?

We did'nt have any of that until the socialist FDR came to be president. Or before the carpetbaggers up north joined corporations and took the souths resouces under Lincoln.I'm very glad the evil of slavery was abolished but that was'nt the main purpose for the civil war.It was the one thing that was possitive about it though.

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The problem is -- this amnesty being discussed now will not solve a single problem.

Many illegals hear the promises of "family reunification" and for many their cultural definition of family is the extended family, to them family doesn't include only legal spouse and minor children.

How many illegals are going to be satisfied that they can bring in 4 or 5 children under age 21 but will not be able to bring in the rest of them that are over age 21? Many assume that family would include siblings, grandparents, grandchildren -- if not their aunts, uncles, cousins and everyone's spouses and kids -- and all the extended families of them.

How many illegals will feel their families were reunified when their older children were denied entry? Or their favorite aunt and uncle and cousins cannot join them here?

There are very many problems with this bill -- also exactly how are the elderly illegals being given amnesty going to be supported in their golden years? An illegal who showed up in 2011 at age 62 or more will be over retirement age, and will not have paid into social security taxes -- so will the 40 quarters requirement be dropped for them so they will be given social security checks or will they simply be put on disability?

Go to any Social Security Office and this question will be answered real fast! Its called SSD.A couple of months ago my friend went down to apply 'shes 66 worked most of her life paid into it' she said it was packed with older foreigners who many were speaking another language which also meant extra waiting to see someone because of interpreters. Standing room only! And this is sometrhing because most can apply online now for SSI SSD.

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A watered down America with less cohesiveness is what the globalist no allegiance to anything but money azzholes want. They'll get it. We've gottin to big to succeed. A population that votes for government control over their lives and works for peanuts.... Total success for the shadow government elitist ****s

Every single senator and congresman or woman leaves there rich,they all work together.

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Old 05-18-2013, 11:08 AM
 
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Go to any Social Security Office and this question will be answered real fast! Its called SSD.A couple of months ago my friend went down to apply 'shes 66 worked most of her life paid into it' she said it was packed with older foreigners who many were speaking another language which also meant extra waiting to see someone because of interpreters. Standing room only! And this is sometrhing because most can apply online now for SSI SSD.
I know -- and also there are food stamps, Medicaid, and all kinds of government handouts that make it possible for so many to bring in their elderly and infirm relatives and for the illegals who worked for cash under the table and never paid in a dime to social security - nor did their employers ever pay in a dime for their social security but these illegals plan to remain here and retire here - and have the American taxpayers provide them a lavish retirement.

Adding all these millions who worked very few years in this country to plan to live out their golden years here is utter stupidity. They're claiming that social security is running out of funds, but why would they be adding a whole lot of millions of foreigners and handing them citizenship so that they'll be able to live out their lives on government handouts when they're too old to work.

I know there are tons of foreigners on Medicaid, foodstamps, and living in HUD housing. When they added all those millions in that last amnesty and the family reunification that has gone on at very massive levels since, they did a lot of damage to social security.

Americans pay into social security for 45-50 or more years before they can retire and get an SS check, but immigrants arriving who are over 50 years old will work and pay in as little as 10 years and then get a SS check for the rest of their lives. If they don't qualify for SS, then they are simply put on disability handouts for being too old to work.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 08:40 PM
 
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How do you think America was formed in the first place!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! So how can you say if more immigrants come here America will disappear!!????r. Be real man!!.... America was built by immigrants...
By legal immigrants not by those sneaking in and breaking the law..lol
 
Old 05-19-2013, 03:49 AM
 
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Uh; MOST countries were "built" by "immigrants" and ALL countries can say yes or NO to more people moving in. If illegal aliens DON'T stop invading; that CAN lead to war.
It wont lead to a war..god that was a stupid comment.
 
Old 05-19-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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There's about 75 million votes for the Democrats. By giving those illegals amnesty, the Democrats will secure their position in the years to come.
 
Old 05-19-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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What is wrong about 100 million new tax paying law abiding citizens?
 
Old 05-19-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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What is wrong about 100 million new tax paying law abiding citizens?
What? When would they start paying taxes? Unless you meant sales tax.

Their income level is nowhere near the taxpaying level. If they become legal, they would be taking a huge piece of welfare rather than paying tax. Yes, they would line up in the welfare office and completely drain our welfare system many times over!!!
 
Old 05-19-2013, 11:02 AM
 
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What is wrong about 100 million new tax paying law abiding citizens?
How are they going to pay any taxes on their minimum wage incomes especially after they bring in all the other children they left behind? Illegals have larger than average numbers of children -- and those low wages will get them all a hefty EITC check -- they won't be paying taxes.

And why doesn't this bill have some way to get the employers of illegals to pay up all back taxes never paid in for these illegal employees? And if the goal is to have taxes, then why aren't only the educated high earners being given amnesty but instead even illegals over age 60 can get in on this? They're not going to be paying any taxes but instead will be demanding government provided retirement and health care.
 
Old 05-19-2013, 11:27 AM
 
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I doubt that senate version and house version of immigration law will going to be pass, though.
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