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Old 05-17-2013, 06:59 PM
 
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Once given amnesty don't forget they can bring in all their relatives.Also most agree its more like 30 million illegals here than 12.

But figure if they only have 5 relatives each,most have dozens some hundreds,so good bye America. Hello Mexico,Somalia,Asia and other nations with millions waiting for the gift.

 
Old 05-17-2013, 10:34 PM
 
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How do you think America was formed in the first place!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! So how can you say if more immigrants come here America will disappear!!????r. Be real man!!.... America was built by immigrants...
Uh; MOST countries were "built" by "immigrants" and ALL countries can say yes or NO to more people moving in. If illegal aliens DON'T stop invading; that CAN lead to war.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 12:23 AM
 
Location: Las Vegas,Nevada
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How do you think America was formed in the first place!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! So how can you say if more immigrants come here America will disappear!!????r. Be real man!!.... America was built by immigrants...
people who care her for a chance not a handout, they came here and learn English, they wanted to be free, and did not vote for what ever party gave them the biggest welfare check, they people want a handout, they will vote for the same Marxist parasites that killed there nations, only where will we run? you sir are a fool, I hope you feel the effects of your views.

You can ignore reality, but you can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 03:45 AM
 
Location: West Los Angeles and Rancho Palos Verdes
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Once given amnesty don't forget they can bring in all their relatives.Also most agree its more like 30 million illegals here than 12.
I've been closely following the issue of illegal immigration since July of 2001, and even back then they were citing the number 12 million. I really believe at this point the number is closer to 50 million, and I wonder why even so-called "conservatives" such as Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. keep quoting the more than ten year old estimate of "12 million".
 
Old 05-18-2013, 06:01 AM
 
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How do you think America was formed in the first place!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! So how can you say if more immigrants come here America will disappear!!????r. Be real man!!.... America was built by immigrants...
Yes, built by LEGAL immigrants and Americans. Learn to know the difference. We are already built now and are no longer a nation of immigrants but a nation of Americans. We have limits on legal immigration today and for good reasons.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 07:00 AM
 
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How do you think America was formed in the first place!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! So how can you say if more immigrants come here America will disappear!!????r. Be real man!!.... America was built by immigrants...
And now we're a very populated country that doesn't need billions of immigrants. Do we need a nation of 400 billion people just because the liberal masters want unlimited numbers of cheap servants?

Remember when those earlier immigrants came, there were many fewer people around, there was land to be homesteaded -- and Indians to be rounded up and put on reservations, is that something that you intend to repeat? There is no more unowned land.

Also back then, impoverished immigrants didn't end up on welfare handouts as they do today.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 07:31 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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How do you think America was formed in the first place!!! IMMIGRANTS!!!! So how can you say if more immigrants come here America will disappear!!????r. Be real man!!.... America was built by immigrants...
Ok, but we didn't' have all these social welfare programs back then did we ?
They relied on family to get their start.

What happens when they all sign up for welfare benefits ?
 
Old 05-18-2013, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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I've been closely following the issue of illegal immigration since July of 2001, and even back then they were citing the number 12 million. I really believe at this point the number is closer to 50 million, and I wonder why even so-called "conservatives" such as Hannity, O'Reilly, etc. keep quoting the more than ten year old estimate of "12 million".
Because that is all they have. That number came out of a modeling algorithm over a decade ago.

That number is static like the CDC number of how many people die from the flu each year.
And that CDC number came from modeling as well.

Repeat a number often enough and it becomes "fact" with nothing backing it up.
 
Old 05-18-2013, 07:42 AM
 
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The problem is -- this amnesty being discussed now will not solve a single problem.

Many illegals hear the promises of "family reunification" and for many their cultural definition of family is the extended family, to them family doesn't include only legal spouse and minor children.

How many illegals are going to be satisfied that they can bring in 4 or 5 children under age 21 but will not be able to bring in the rest of them that are over age 21? Many assume that family would include siblings, grandparents, grandchildren -- if not their aunts, uncles, cousins and everyone's spouses and kids -- and all the extended families of them.

How many illegals will feel their families were reunified when their older children were denied entry? Or their favorite aunt and uncle and cousins cannot join them here?

There are very many problems with this bill -- also exactly how are the elderly illegals being given amnesty going to be supported in their golden years? An illegal who showed up in 2011 at age 62 or more will be over retirement age, and will not have paid into social security taxes -- so will the 40 quarters requirement be dropped for them so they will be given social security checks or will they simply be put on disability?
 
Old 05-18-2013, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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This story as already been played.
Instead of 3 million, this time round will be 30 million.
And the next set of illegals start settling in.

There is no "reform". It's amnesty, pure and simple.
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