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Old 11-08-2007, 04:56 PM
 
Location: California
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OMG! This politically correct stuff is getting out of hand. The original poster said his wife was Mexican American. Appartently that term doesn't bother her. What on earth is wrong with that term anyway? Mexico is a country. America is a country. We have got to get over this politically correct BS.
I am also 100% Mexican and am also American. I have no problem if people call me Hispanic, Chicano, Latino e.t.c
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Old 11-10-2007, 02:00 PM
 
Location: new mexico
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I've noticed a lot that people do compare Illegals to terrorists.

because some illegals are terrorists.....were you asleep when 9-11 happened?
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Old 11-10-2007, 04:06 PM
 
Location: California
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because some illegals are terrorists.....were you asleep when 9-11 happened?
Didn't they have visas?
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Old 11-10-2007, 04:36 PM
 
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Friendly warning, the people on this forum do not support that term. Even though most of these people on these forums themselves are not Mexican they would rather prefer to call legal Mexicans "Americans from Mexican decent". They know they wear the "Irish I were Mexican" t-shirts in their own house .
Most of the Mexican Americans I know detest that term as well. They call themselves "American."
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Old 11-10-2007, 05:27 PM
 
Location: California
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Most of the Mexican Americans I know detest that term as well. They call themselves "American."
Good for them, I welcome either.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:15 PM
 
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Yes it is, and before anyone says it, yes when it gets better in Mexico (which it appears to be heading) I think Mexicans will return to the homeland, but family and progress is most important.
"Family and progress is most important" to most immigrants to this country. But, with all due respect, referring to Mexicans as your "people" is offensive. My family are immigrants, as well, from an equally traditional culture which values family and progress no less than Mexican culture does, but they consider themselves American, and Americans, first and foremost, are their "people." I think that for you to see Mexicans, over and above Americans (of many races), as your "people" is racist.
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Old 11-12-2007, 11:32 PM
 
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Statutes of limitations apply to crime events. Being in the country illegally is a criminal condition. For a statute of limitations to apply to illegal immigration, the immigrant must first either remove himself from the country or legalize his status. As long as he remains in the country illegally, he is in the commission of a crime.

What you are calling for is amnesty. Any amnesty program, without a concurrent increase in enforcement, would amount to a de-facto open borders policy.

I agree. Also I'd say if the feds wanted to they could prosecute illegals as part of a criminal conspiracy they just choose not to. It could be argued that they aren't actually committing a series of consecutive crimes but one continuous crime.In which case the statutes of limitations wouldn't apply because the crime is still occurring. Much in the same way the feds frequently use RICO laws to nail gangsters.
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Old 11-13-2007, 12:03 AM
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Location: Denver
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"Family and progress is most important" to most immigrants to this country. But, with all due respect, referring to Mexicans as your "people" is offensive. My family are immigrants, as well, from an equally traditional culture which values family and progress no less than Mexican culture does, but they consider themselves American, and Americans, first and foremost, are their "people." I think that for you to see Mexicans, over and above Americans (of many races), as your "people" is racist.
When I refer to "my people" I refer to my ancestry. Being only 2nd generation American I still feel a strong tie to "my people" of my ancestry. Most Americans I know still call themselves Welsh, Irish, German, Italian, Israeli, Pakistani, Indian and those are their people, their roots and care for them deep. I never put them "over" Americans, I can care for both countries and for every race.

I guess if you have been here for 5-6 generations then you have lost touch with your roots and care less if America bombs the people of your ancestry tomorrow?

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Old 11-13-2007, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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When I refer to "my people" I refer to my ancestry. Being only 2nd generation American I still feel a strong tie to "my people" of my ancestry. Most Americans I know still call themselves Welsh, Irish, German, Italian, Israeli, Pakistani, Indian and those are their people, their roots and care for them deep. I never put them "over" Americans, I can care for both countries and for every race.

I guess if you have been here for 5-6 generations then you have lost touch with your roots and care less if America bombs the people of your ancestry tomorrow?
As you know; I am 1/2 Hungarian in heritage (my father is an immigrant), if said country attacked us (highly unlikely admittedly), I would have little heartburn blowing that place to kingdom come.

Maybe because I have very little cultural connection to 'Magyars' (Hungarian word for 'Hungarian')-------I consider myself to be a WASP.

NOTE: anymore; 'WASP' is essentially a cultural label------the former Defence Minister of Great Britain, Michael Portillo, is one--------despite his Hispanic roots.
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Old 11-13-2007, 02:03 PM
 
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NOTE: anymore; 'WASP' is essentially a cultural label------the former Defence Minister of Great Britain, Michael Portillo, is one--------despite his Hispanic roots.
I just HAD to acknowledge the profound appropriateness of your statement--it speaks volumes to our present "mess" regarding illegal immigration---and, in the larger sense, multiculturalism in general. The fact is that, it's only in very recent years that America has tried to pass itself off as "multicultural". People who immigrated here, until recently, were expected to become AMERICANS..and, in many ways, to adopt the culture of "WASPS". Italians in America aren't like Italians in Italy---they're Italian-DESCENDED people who, in 95% of their lives, have adopted the WASP culture. Italian-Americans are Americans, and view themselves as Americans, not as Italians...and this is true of ALL immigrant groups, and has been, up until recent times.

The above is also true of Mexican-Americans. Thiose who've been here for some years, and have history here in the US, recognize immediately that they aren't REALLY Mexicans--their lifestyle and values are American. They think of themselves as Americans.

It's only very recently, and mostly among recent Mexican immigrants more than others, that the idea has risen that "I can live here, take advantage of the lifestyle, reap the benefits, enjoy the rights, etc.., but I don't HAVE to become an American. I'm a proud, loyal Mexican, and that will never change"...

Popular or not, this idea has NEVER worked in the past, when it was strongly discouraged, among ANY group of immigrants. Though it is now seen as "fashionable" and somewhat "forward-thinking", the fact is that it STILL can't work, particularly in a complex multi-ethnic society in which all we really have holding us together is our "commonality". Being an American takes a conscious decision--you have to "want" to do it. And if you don't want to, then you'll always be regarded as "different"...and, as such, as a competitor. You can't have it both ways. You can't emphasize your "differentness", and then complain that you're not accepted........
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