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Old 05-30-2013, 12:40 PM
 
Location: California
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Oh yes they do. Local elections.

The slow ebb if "rights" has been taking place right under your nose.
They have the "right" to healthcare.
They have the "right" to send their kids to school.
They have various degrees of "rights" granted to them by state governments.


NYC Lawmakers Considering Voting Rights For Illegal Immigrants | Bossip
Illegal immigrant voting a reality in some states - Framingham, MA - The MetroWest Daily News
your links talk about legal immigrants, not illegal. Your second link doesn't exist.
The rights you listed are civil rights and not political rights.
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Old 05-30-2013, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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your links talk about legal immigrants, not illegal. Your second link doesn't exist.
The rights you listed are civil rights and not political rights.
Ok, here's some of the content of that second link that doesn't exist.
The right to vote is a political right and supposedly a right ONLY for citizens.
And since you don't have to prove your citizenship there's nothing keeping immigrants, legal or illegal from voting.



Illegal immigrant voting a reality in some states - Framingham, MA - The MetroWest Daily News

In Takoma Park, Md., non-citizens have been able to vote in local elections since March 1992, said the city clerk, Jessie Carpenter.
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A few other Maryland communities allow non-citizen voting, but Takoma Park, a city of 18,000 with a large immigrant population from Central America and Africa, is the largest of them, she said. Non-citizens vote can vote for mayor, city council and on ballot questions, she said.
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Chicago and San Francisco allow non-citizen residents to vote for those cities' school boards, and last month, a Maine state legislator proposed allowing non-citizens to vote in municipal elections there.
At least two Massachusetts communities - Amherst and Cambridge - approved measures that would allow non-citizen voting, but neither was implemented because the Legislature failed to act on them. (Massachusetts law requires voters to be U.S. citizens, and those communities' voting measures would need an exemption approved by state lawmakers.)

Amherst's town manager, Laurence Shaffer, said his town's 2003 Town Meeting decision was a "statement of values" that recognized that non-citizen residents who live in the town are affected by local decisions, and should have a role in that process.
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Old 05-30-2013, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Pa
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The question is, What is reform? Is reform a free pass for violators of the law? Or is reform a modifying or improving of something?
So what is immigration reform or what should it be?
Who should the highest ranking public servant be meeting to discuss in regard to reform? The violators of the law or those tasked with enforcement? One would reason that a man sworn to uphold the constitution and the law should shy away from criminals. A reasonable person would conclude that rewarding criminal behavior is only an invitation for more such behavior.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:15 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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The question is, What is reform? Is reform a free pass for violators of the law? Or is reform a modifying or improving of something?
So what is immigration reform or what should it be?
Who should the highest ranking public servant be meeting to discuss in regard to reform? The violators of the law or those tasked with enforcement? One would reason that a man sworn to uphold the constitution and the law should shy away from criminals. A reasonable person would conclude that rewarding criminal behavior is only an invitation for more such behavior.
And evidenced by a 30% increase in illegal border crossings in the first 3 months of 2013.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:19 PM
 
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It's not just Obama and it's not just Hispanics. The whole government is working to screw all of us over except for small portions of the electorate that they want to woo...and that's only so they can keep getting elected, or earn money for themselves by doing political favors.

The whole system and both parties are all rotten to the core.
I do agree mostly with you but you know as well as I do that it is Obama and the Democrats pushing for amnesty this time around. It is only since the re-election of Obama who got the majority of the Hispanic vote that "some" Republicans have jumped on the amnesty band wagon thinking erroneously that they will get more of the ethnocentric Hispanic vote. In regards to amnesty yes Hispanics are mostly the ones demanding it in spite of how negatively it will impact the rest of our citizenry.
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Old 05-30-2013, 01:21 PM
 
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The question is, What is reform? Is reform a free pass for violators of the law? Or is reform a modifying or improving of something?
So what is immigration reform or what should it be?
Who should the highest ranking public servant be meeting to discuss in regard to reform? The violators of the law or those tasked with enforcement? One would reason that a man sworn to uphold the constitution and the law should shy away from criminals. A reasonable person would conclude that rewarding criminal behavior is only an invitation for more such behavior.
Good post!
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Old 05-30-2013, 03:15 PM
 
Location: CHicago, United States
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Chicago and San Francisco allow non-citizen residents to vote for those cities' school boards ...
As far as your comment regarding Chicago: It's not accurate.
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Old 05-30-2013, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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As far as your comment regarding Chicago: It's not accurate.
That wasn't my comment..that was content from the article.
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Old 05-30-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: California
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Ok, here's some of the content of that second link that doesn't exist.
The right to vote is a political right and supposedly a right ONLY for citizens.
And since you don't have to prove your citizenship there's nothing keeping immigrants, legal or illegal from voting.
The right to vote is for citizens in Federal elections only. Local elections, depending on the type, may/do allow legal residents to vote, i.e. a school board official, etc., but nothing political in the since as to the state management, etc.

There have been issues raised with LPR's and illegals voting in national elections, probably more to state elections also, and I would agree that they shouldn't be and better ways of weeding them out is necessary.
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Old 05-30-2013, 04:37 PM
 
Location: California
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As far as your comment regarding Chicago: It's not accurate.
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That wasn't my comment..that was content from the article.
Its not accurate about SF either, the ballot measure never passed.Right of Non-Citizens to Vote in San Francisco School Board elections, Proposition D (November 2010) - Ballotpedia
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