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Old 11-04-2007, 01:53 AM
 
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They say that we are racists because we are pointing out all of the crimes that Europeans have committed against us (Nican Tlaca, all of the erif]Indigenous people of the "Western Hemisphere") over the last 500 years, and because we dare to still claim our continent and the wealth of our lands.
They say that we hate all white people and that we should go back to being who we were for 500 years, a quiet people enslaved in ignorance to the will of white people.
They demand that we assimilate, that we melt into the "melting pot" of ethnocide, that we disappear. We are an irritating and embarrassing reminder to them of their monstrous and criminal past. They say that we should forget the past.
Meanwhile they are obsessed with their supposed Greek-Roman, Medieval-Renaissance past, because it gives them glory, pride, and a sense of accomplishments. When it comes to telling what happened after 1492 they don't want to be reminded of what they did.
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Old 11-04-2007, 06:15 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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They say that we are racists because we are pointing out all of the crimes that Europeans have committed against us (Nican Tlaca, all of the erif]Indigenous people of the "Western Hemisphere") over the last 500 years, and because we dare to still claim our continent and the wealth of our lands.
They say that we hate all white people and that we should go back to being who we were for 500 years, a quiet people enslaved in ignorance to the will of white people.
They demand that we assimilate, that we melt into the "melting pot" of ethnocide, that we disappear. We are an irritating and embarrassing reminder to them of their monstrous and criminal past. They say that we should forget the past.
Meanwhile they are obsessed with their supposed Greek-Roman, Medieval-Renaissance past, because it gives them glory, pride, and a sense of accomplishments. When it comes to telling what happened after 1492 they don't want to be reminded of what they did.
http://mexica-movement.org/1343226320_78ff38c4c0_o.gif (broken link)
You speak of indigenous people?

Which ones? Navajo (who immigrated less than 1,000 years ago to the Southwest), Aztecs, Vikings, Incas, Cherokee........again, who was first? The answers may not be to your liking.

And what makes, say, Yaquis more 'special' than any other race/ethnicity that got dumped on?

Final point, Lopez--------considering your hatred of any of us 'non' indigenous folks------why do you self-identify with a name associated with Euro/White culture?

You surely must be aware that Hispanic culture is White Supremacist, rightly or wrongly.
 
Old 11-04-2007, 07:07 AM
 
Location: SW Kansas
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ummm ok.
So just what do you think you are going to accomplish by spewing hate? You can SAY anything you want, but what are you going to actually DO? Are you going to form a military and declare war? War is what led you to lose your land in the first place, isn't it? I mean, back then they played for keeps. It's not like today when everybody that plays gets a participation ribbon and they all go home winners........ We WON! By the rules of the day, we WON! You can't change the rules of the game now and then expect everyone to forfeit their past winnings. In the big football game of life the game is over. Unless of course you want to challenge us to a new game?

Be proud of your heritage, pass your history along to your descendants, teach them your culture. But unless you think you can change history, you might ought to consider accepting it and moving on.
 
Old 11-04-2007, 08:17 AM
 
Location: SanAnFortWAbiHoustoDalCentral, Texas
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I wouldn't say that you're racist for pointing out the crimes of the white man's fore fathers or for attempting to claim your historical home and it's wealth. I wouldn't agree that you hate all white people or that you should go back to living in enslaved ignorance.

I would ask what is it you really want? Something clear and productive would be good rather than a generality such as 'for the monstrous and criminal white man to get out'. Would you be satisfied with the U.S. government returning to you the area of California, as reparations for your perceived abuse at the hands of the Spaniards? How about the U.S. invading Mexico, taking it over and giving it to you? Or do you want the land area of the entire 48 states? Canada, too?

And if you were to get what you want, what really are you going to do with it? You want 250 million white people to just pack up and jump a ship to Europe? If that's the sort of government you're going to be running then you've already set yourself up for failure. So you want to be the ruler of those 250 million white people? You probly can't even control your own people, much less a bunch of white ass rednecks who are looking to string you up for messing around with things. And that's just the pretty part.

Are you aware of what's going on in the Middle East? There's some guys over there who'd be most willing to help you in your quest to dominate whitey. But once you're in control you better watch out... for one very big principle reason. You're not a Muslim. Cause buddy, you're head won't be any harder to cut off than a white boys head.

And then you've started the sad history of your people all over again. Take pride in your heritage. Develop your culture. Share your history with the world and become one with it. Life is short enough. Don't make it shorter.
 
Old 11-04-2007, 09:21 AM
 
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ummm ok.
So just what do you think you are going to accomplish by spewing hate? You can SAY anything you want, but what are you going to actually DO? Are you going to form a military and declare war? War is what led you to lose your land in the first place, isn't it? I mean, back then they played for keeps. It's not like today when everybody that plays gets a participation ribbon and they all go home winners........ We WON! By the rules of the day, we WON! You can't change the rules of the game now and then expect everyone to forfeit their past winnings. In the big football game of life the game is over. Unless of course you want to challenge us to a new game?

Be proud of your heritage, pass your history along to your descendants, teach them your culture. But unless you think you can change history, you might ought to consider accepting it and moving on.
For over those 500 years racist European believed that we, the Nican Tlaca (Indigenous people of this continent——the present day Mexicans, "Central Americans", and "Native Americans" —who are one people divided by European colonial borders and colonial languages), are inferior to Europeans. That is by definition racism.
All of this racism is really about justifying the stealing of our continent and stealing of the wealth of our land. Racism is a way of keeping hidden the countless crimes of the last 500 years that brought the European-caused holocaust/genocide of our people and the destruction of our great civilizations and cities.
This racist cover up of an ugly and monstrous history European colonialism is a way to avoid the shame, dishonor, and guilt that should go with all of those crimes. Racism is a way for people of European descent to justify keeping all of what they have stolen from us over the last 500 years. Racism is a way of keeping the profits of the crimes of colonialism.
You will not find one example of our Nican Tlaca race ever claiming to be racially superior to the European. We did not use smallpox or other dishonorable biological warfare to kill Europeans. We did not lynch Europeans. We have not discriminated against Europeans. We did not destroy European cities or civilizations. We did not steal the wealth of the treasuries of the Europeans as Europeans did from the gold and silver treasuries of the Mexica ("Aztecs") and the Inca.
On the other hand Europeans have claimed to be superior to us for the last 500 years saying that we were sub-human with no ownership rights to our continent or to the immense wealth of our land, and no rights to our lives. What a very convenient "belief" for so-called Christians and so-called civilized people.
Europeans claim that we have no rights to our lives or our continent. They therefore get to kill us, steal from us, and leave us impoverished, enslaved to work for them, torture our humanity, terrorize our very existence, and do it all with a clear conscience because we are just not real human beings, not "White Human Beings". How convenient. How Nazi-like. How racist!
 
Old 11-04-2007, 09:26 AM
 
Location: el paso tx.
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To this day we have been told that we do not have a right to choose freedom over enslavement to Europeans (in Canada, U.S., Mexico, "Central America", and the rest of our "Western Hemisphere" which is all controlled by European descent people


You have been told this? who told you this?
 
Old 11-04-2007, 09:35 AM
 
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To this day we have been told that we do not have a right to choose freedom over enslavement to Europeans (in Canada, U.S., Mexico, "Central America", and the rest of our "Western Hemisphere" which is all controlled by European descent people


You have been told this? who told you this?
Ignorance is one of the ugliest forms of slavery. Slavery is not good for any human being. European colonialism has proven itself to be a form of slavery, a pure form of evil over the last 500 years. Nothing good has happened to our people in those last 500 years. Oppressing human beings is never a good thing.

 
Old 11-04-2007, 09:51 AM
 
Location: el paso tx.
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Ignorance is one of the ugliest forms of slavery. Slavery is not good for any human being. European colonialism has proven itself to be a form of slavery, a pure form of evil over the last 500 years. Nothing good has happened to our people in those last 500 years. Oppressing human beings is never a good thing.




So this is where you get all you info.
 
Old 11-04-2007, 09:55 AM
 
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I think he wants a casino.
 
Old 11-04-2007, 09:56 AM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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For over those 500 years racist European believed that we, the Nican Tlaca (Indigenous people of this continent——the present day Mexicans, "Central Americans", and "Native Americans" —who are one people divided by European colonial borders and colonial languages), are inferior to Europeans. That is by definition racism.
All of this racism is really about justifying the stealing of our continent and stealing of the wealth of our land. Racism is a way of keeping hidden the countless crimes of the last 500 years that brought the European-caused holocaust/genocide of our people and the destruction of our great civilizations and cities.
This racist cover up of an ugly and monstrous history European colonialism is a way to avoid the shame, dishonor, and guilt that should go with all of those crimes. Racism is a way for people of European descent to justify keeping all of what they have stolen from us over the last 500 years. Racism is a way of keeping the profits of the crimes of colonialism.
You will not find one example of our Nican Tlaca race ever claiming to be racially superior to the European. We did not use smallpox or other dishonorable biological warfare to kill Europeans. We did not lynch Europeans. We have not discriminated against Europeans. We did not destroy European cities or civilizations. We did not steal the wealth of the treasuries of the Europeans as Europeans did from the gold and silver treasuries of the Mexica ("Aztecs") and the Inca.
On the other hand Europeans have claimed to be superior to us for the last 500 years saying that we were sub-human with no ownership rights to our continent or to the immense wealth of our land, and no rights to our lives. What a very convenient "belief" for so-called Christians and so-called civilized people.
Europeans claim that we have no rights to our lives or our continent. They therefore get to kill us, steal from us, and leave us impoverished, enslaved to work for them, torture our humanity, terrorize our very existence, and do it all with a clear conscience because we are just not real human beings, not "White Human Beings". How convenient. How Nazi-like. How racist!
Umm...okay.

You need an education.

You need to take some COLLEGE level anthropology courses because all you're really accomplishing here is making yourself look completely ignorant. Just a little FYI - Nican Tlaca is translated as the Natives but it could easily be translated as the People here, etc. Nican Tlaca does does not refer to the native population of America in general. In fact it could also refer to the Spaniards living in Mexico. That is to say, Tlaca refers to people in general and not to an specific race. All Americans born in America are native to America. They are in fact Nican Tlaca.

Additionally, the Aztecs are but one race of indigenous Mesoamerican Indian from Mexico. While their ancestors, the Toltecs did inhabit the area north of modern day Mexico City for many years before the advent of the actual Aztecs, you may want to remember that the Aztecs, as a society, lasted from approxmitately 1350 to 1521. That's it. No more. Nada. They didn't build the pyramids at Teotiuachan, they were not a "wise old race of astronomer priests." They were, in fact, a brutal, militaristic people who conquered numerous native Indian tribes around them, which ultimately led to their downfall, as those Indian tribes joined with the Spainiards to rid themselves of Aztec domination.

Oh and while you're ranting, you might want to remind yourself that there is not a person alive today guilty of the crimes you seem to want retribution for. Who do you think you are? An angry god capable of visiting the sins of the fathers onto the sons?

Give me a break.

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