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Old 10-24-2010, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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Oh gee! You mean illegals will start destroying whole neighborhoods and killing people? START?

As if they aren't doing that already?

Oh, and as for taking part in the Underground Economy and going into crime.... Guess what!!!! That's what they've been doing!
I'm sure that is a real problem for those of you so close to the Border. I'm glad I don't live near you. I live within sight of Mexico and I don't see that
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:43 PM
 
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Chicagonut...isn't it amazing how many "adult" petulant children there are in the world? If they can't get their way by name-calling and stomping their feet they chose to ignore you. That's the problem now days IMO. Too many petulant children thinking that ignoring a problem will make it go away. It's time for real ADULTS to deal with this in whatever manner becomes necessary.
It is truly amazing how many immature adults we have in this country especially in the pro-illegal crowd. I have visited other immigration forums and it is unbelievable how hateful and nasty these people are. I wouldn't call a dog some of the names that they call anyone who opposes their views.

They always have something nasty to say about the entire Republican party also. It is as if the Democrats can do no wrong or that only Republicans oppose illegal immigration or has any racists in their party (not that it is racist to be opposed to illegal immigration anyway). They plainly will not debate the issues with civility and without the personal insults. It is those people that make me even more opposed to illegal immigration and any possible amnesty. If they want it, something must be wrong with it other than the obvious reasons of course.
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Old 10-24-2010, 05:47 PM
 
Location: Sierra Vista, AZ
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhJrUP7_K1U

I live down the street from this ^ exact place in Rancho Bernardo, CA. I see multiple illegals every day no questions asked.

So if there were no jobs for them, would they go home?
The law allows for the arrest of employers yet no one is doing it.
If you lock up 100 illegals 100 more show up. Lock up the employers and you have something.
NOT ONE EMPLOYER ARRESTED
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Old 10-24-2010, 06:25 PM
 
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So if there were no jobs for them, would they go home?
The law allows for the arrest of employers yet no one is doing it.
If you lock up 100 illegals 100 more show up. Lock up the employers and you have something.
NOT ONE EMPLOYER ARRESTED
That's not true. Many employers have been arrested and fined. The problem is that it has to be proven that the employers "knowingly" hired illegal aliens. These illegals can produce some pretty authentic looking documents so it is hard to prove. That is why I am for e-verify mandated in every workplace. Neither the greedy employers nor the law breaking illegals will be able to get away with this anymore. The pro-illegal advocates fight e-verify tooth and nail though because they only want the employers punished but their precious illegals left untouched. E-verify will stop them both but of course they don't want that.

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Old 10-24-2010, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Spokane via Sydney,Australia
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Added to which those nice "we use E-Verify" signs might deter some unauthorised applicants from even attempting to be hired.
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Old 10-24-2010, 09:37 PM
 
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So if there were no jobs for them, would they go home?
The law allows for the arrest of employers yet no one is doing it.
If you lock up 100 illegals 100 more show up. Lock up the employers and you have something.
NOT ONE EMPLOYER ARRESTED
This is exactly correct. They should imprison the employers AND the Politicians ( Obama ) that REFUSE to enforce and/or follow the laws.
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Old 10-25-2010, 06:19 AM
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To have a mature debate, both sides of this conflict need to shape up. I've seen plenty of generalizations from both sides - here we have stereotyping of republicans, in plenty of threads all democrats are branded as one thing or another.
But to be honest, with an issue as emotional and important as this one, I doubt it's possible. Still, we have to try.
So to rephrase, everybody please calm down and get back on topic.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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The Judge left the portion of SB1070 intact when he enjoined part of it. So far not one employer has been arrested. Apparently it wasn't about immigration, it was about rounding up latinos
What evidence do you have that NO employers have been arrested? Please share.

Given that SB 1070 mirrors the Federal law, are you suggesting our immigration laws are discriminatory, and designed for the sole purpose of "rounding up" Latinos? Would you mind posting the sections of the laws which mandate such discriminatory practices?

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A. Despite the judge leaving the employer part of SB1070 intact NOT ONE EMPLOYER HAS BEEN ARRESTED UNDER SB1070
This whole thing, like abortion, is just one of those issues the Republikaaners use to get the bobbleheads nodding at election time. They have the opportunity to deprive them of work and so far haven't lifted a finger
You keep repeating this. Please substantiate.

Both parties are complicit in this mess. What have Democrats done to deprive illegals of work?

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That's why the judge enjoined the law. There is DeFacto Discrimination, i.e when 1000 people are arrested and 950 of them are latino, you have discrimination regardless of what the law is
When an area is populated by a specific ethnic/racial group, common sense dictates they will be involved in the majority of arrests. Furthermore, the vast majority of illegal aliens in this country are Hispanic. Who, pray tell, would you expect to be arrested?

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What I am saying is that the inner workings of the Republikaaner Party that pushed this law through are the National Socialist Movement. Russ Pearce, JT Ready all the same
And, what label would you assign to Democrats who refuse to enforce our laws, and sanction the aiding and abetting of illegals to the detriment of our country?

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So if there were no jobs for them, would they go home?
The law allows for the arrest of employers yet no one is doing it.
If you lock up 100 illegals 100 more show up. Lock up the employers and you have something.
NOT ONE EMPLOYER ARRESTED
I wholeheartedly agree. All who knowingly employ illegals should be punished. However, I also believe illegal aliens should be arrested for violating our laws. I get the impression you only support punishing the employers, and believe we should embrace illegal alien criminals.
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Old 10-25-2010, 09:55 AM
 
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What evidence do you have that NO employers have been arrested? Please share.

Given that SB 1070 mirrors the Federal law, are you suggesting our immigration laws are discriminatory, and designed for the sole purpose of "rounding up" Latinos? Would you mind posting the sections of the laws which mandate such discriminatory practices?



You keep repeating this. Please substantiate.

Both parties are complicit in this mess. What have Democrats done to deprive illegals of work?



When an area is populated by a specific ethnic/racial group, common sense dictates they will be involved in the majority of arrests. Furthermore, the vast majority of illegal aliens in this country are Hispanic. Who, pray tell, would you expect to be arrested?



And, what label would you assign to Democrats who refuse to enforce our laws, and sanction the aiding and abetting of illegals to the detriment of our country?



I wholeheartedly agree. All who knowingly employ illegals should be punished. However, I also believe illegal aliens should be arrested for violating our laws. I get the impression you only support punishing the employers, and believe we should embrace illegal alien criminals.
Benicar, you will find that they pro-illegals always harp about the employers but never about the illegal aliens working here in violation of our immigration laws. As you know, we have always blamed the employers and the illegal workers equally but the pro-illegals don't want any blame put on the illegal workers at all. If they had their way, they would have the employers jailed and fined but the illegals left untouched.

We have two guilty parties here but the pro-illegals want the employers punished but the illegal workers rewarded with legalization and even a path to citizenship for their part in this. Is that what they call justice?
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Old 10-25-2010, 11:28 AM
 
Location: SouthCentral Texas
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Chicagonut...isn't it amazing how many "adult" petulant children there are in the world? If they can't get their way by name-calling and stomping their feet they chose to ignore you. That's the problem now days IMO. Too many petulant children thinking that ignoring a problem will make it go away. It's time for real ADULTS to deal with this in whatever manner becomes necessary.
There are plenty of "real adults" in prison or the cemetary because the didnt use sound judgment in handeling problems. Ignoring problems is not a sloution, neither is dealling with problems by "whatever manner becomes necessary".

Illegal immigration will not be solved in a single voting season, with the change of administration, a single appointment to the Supreme Court, a single amendment to a section of the US Constitution, or a state's legislation to curb illegal immigration. If it could, then the problems of illegal immigration would have been solved. The list of a few solutions[listed above] is a small step towards the goal of immigration reform. So, work to accomplish these goals and more...

Talking "tough" simply shows your a "tough-talker"...working to solve problems is the privy of a mature, rational, logical, practical Adult.
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