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Old 11-07-2007, 02:57 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Unlike immigration waves of the past, we are not receiving many of the best and the brightest from various countries, the explorers and the innovators--we are receiving the flotsam and jetsam that Mexico's corrupt government cannot be bothered to assist.
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Obviously this no longer applies, eh?

Ken
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:00 PM
 
Location: Kingman AZ
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LordB......the last rep that I gave you...was supposed to be a positive one......my heartfelt apologies
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:01 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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LordB......the last rep that I gave you...was supposed to be a positive one......my heartfelt apologies
No problem.

Ken

PS - Thanks!
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:04 PM
 
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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Obviously this no longer applies, eh? - at least not for the poor.

Ken


Actually, no, it doesn't apply anymore. Not in the land of welfare and social services. We've kind of "moved on" from the guilded age, where capitalism reigned supreme and without encumbrance. Where 7 families to a tenament apartment was no big deal. Where people either could afford healthcare, or they died. Where we didn't care if a family starved to death, and we certainly didn't care about the working conditions, wages, or "the middle class." Universal education for children? Not a chance.

I don't know why people insist on comparing immigration "back then" to immigration "now." As if nothing has changed - the country, the economy, globalization. Nope! It's still 1900 for some people. Come one, come all, bring the kids and send them to work in a pencil factory.

As much as I hate to admit it, Lady Liberty no longer speaks for me in THAT regard. That message she sends is kind of out-dated, and pretty much now stands for freedom rather than the welcome mat for the world's poor.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:16 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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Actually, no, it doesn't apply anymore. Not in the land of welfare and social services. We've kind of "moved on" from the guilded age, where capitalism reigned supreme and without encumbrance. Where 7 families to a tenament apartment was no big deal. Where people either could afford healthcare, or they died. Where we didn't care if a family starved to death, and we certainly didn't care about the working conditions, wages, or "the middle class." Universal education for children? Not a chance.

I don't know why people insist on comparing immigration "back then" to immigration "now." As if nothing has changed - the country, the economy, globalization. Nope! It's still 1900 for some people. Come one, come all, bring the kids and send them to work in a pencil factory.

As much as I hate to admit it, Lady Liberty no longer speaks for me in THAT regard. That message she sends is kind of out-dated, and pretty much now stands for freedom rather than the welcome mat for the world's poor.
Sadly, based on much of what I see here, I suspect you are right.

Good post actually - even if I don't agree with you that much.

Ken
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:20 PM
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Location: Denver
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Actually, no, it doesn't apply anymore. Not in the land of welfare and social services. We've kind of "moved on" from the guilded age, where capitalism reigned supreme and without encumbrance. Where 7 families to a tenament apartment was no big deal. Where people either could afford healthcare, or they died. Where we didn't care if a family starved to death, and we certainly didn't care about the working conditions, wages, or "the middle class." Universal education for children? Not a chance.

I don't know why people insist on comparing immigration "back then" to immigration "now." As if nothing has changed - the country, the economy, globalization. Nope! It's still 1900 for some people. Come one, come all, bring the kids and send them to work in a pencil factory.

As much as I hate to admit it, Lady Liberty no longer speaks for me in THAT regard. That message she sends is kind of out-dated, and pretty much now stands for freedom rather than the welcome mat for the world's poor.
So should America remove the Colossus from Lady Liberty then? It kind of gives the wrong message.

How about a "No Vacancy" sign on her?
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:27 PM
 
Location: San Diego North County
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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."

Obviously this no longer applies, eh?

Ken
How many huddled masses do you think this country can hold? How many tired and poor are the American citizens in this country expected to support with their tax dollars at the expense of their fellow citizens who need their assistance just as much if not more than someone from another country?

Did you know that in America, more American children live below the poverty level than in any other industrialized country in the world?

And if your motives are a truly altruistic as you would have us believe, that compassion is what motivates you then I want you to explain to me what entitles Mexico's people to our compassion over the rest of the world's poor? Its proximity to our southern border?

I have a real problem with those who state that this is all about human compassion, loving thy neighbor, blah diddy blah diddy blah. Today in Africa, approximately 2,500 children died. Tomorrow another 2,500 will die. The day after that another 2,500 children will die. Every day of every week of every year. They will from starvation and from a lack of clean water, and from the diseases which are brought on by both.

There is no doubt that many of Mexico's people are poor. But there is poor and there is abject, without hope, destined to die, poverty. If human compassion is indeed the motivation behind illegal immigration (which we all know that it is not--it is the enslavement of an entire geo-political class of people for corporate benefit) then surely there must be a yardstick by which we measure need.

Why should the United States continue to receive unchecked, all of Mexico's poor and uneducated? If poor and uneducated people are what you are looking to import into the United States in the name of human compassion, then I suggest that we begin importing our illegal aliens from the following fifty poorest countries in the world. Please note that Mexico doesn't even make the top 50:

Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati, Laos, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan, East Timor, Togo, Tuvalu, Uganda, Tanzania, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambia.

If human compassion is your motivation, then people from these fifty countries should be priority. I guarantee that they will be much more grateful for the opportunity to "improve" their lives than our current crop of illegals, and I'm sure that they will be just as easy to exploit for slave wages as Mexico's people are, so no loss to big business either.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:30 PM
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Location: Denver
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I just think people are blind if you think the American "SuperPower" government has been allowing illegals in from SOB with nothing in return or out of compassion...

Americans do things for money, this government does things for money and resources.

You don't think for maybe a second, Mexico being #4 on Imported Oil has something to do with this all? Maybe your government is not telling you everything you need to know.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:35 PM
Status: "Make America the Great Joke Again" (set 23 days ago)
 
Location: Denver
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Actually make that #3:

CANADA 1,950 1,797 1,853 1,862 1,780
SAUDI ARABIA 1,468 1,434 1,427 1,477 1,409
MEXICO 1,381 1,469 1,448 1,667 1,663


Crude Oil and Total Petroleum Imports Top 15 Countries

It is Mexico that has us in their pocket.
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Old 11-07-2007, 03:36 PM
 
Location: SE Arizona - FINALLY! :D
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How many huddled masses do you think this country can hold? How many tired and poor are the American citizens in this country expected to support with their tax dollars at the expense of their fellow citizens who need their assistance just as much if not more than someone from another country?

Did you know that in America, more American children live below the poverty level than in any other industrialized country in the world?

And if your motives are a truly altruistic as you would have us believe, that compassion is what motivates you then I want you to explain to me what entitles Mexico's people to our compassion over the rest of the world's poor? Its proximity to our southern border?

I have a real problem with those who state that this is all about human compassion, loving thy neighbor, blah diddy blah diddy blah. Today in Africa, approximately 2,500 children died. Tomorrow another 2,500 will die. The day after that another 2,500 children will die. Every day of every week of every year. They will from starvation and from a lack of clean water, and from the diseases which are brought on by both.

There is no doubt that many of Mexico's people are poor. But there is poor and there is abject, without hope, destined to die, poverty. If human compassion is indeed the motivation behind illegal immigration (which we all know that it is not--it is the enslavement of an entire geo-political class of people for corporate benefit) then surely there must be a yardstick by which we measure need.

Why should the United States continue to receive unchecked, all of Mexico's poor and uneducated? If poor and uneducated people are what you are looking to import into the United States in the name of human compassion, then I suggest that we begin importing our illegal aliens from the following fifty poorest countries in the world. Please note that Mexico doesn't even make the top 50:

Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati, Laos, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan, East Timor, Togo, Tuvalu, Uganda, Tanzania, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambia.

If human compassion is your motivation, then people from these fifty countries should be priority. I guarantee that they will be much more grateful for the opportunity to "improve" their lives than our current crop of illegals, and I'm sure that they will be just as easy to exploit for slave wages as Mexico's people are, so no loss to big business either.
Yup. No welcome mat here.

Nothing to see here folks. Move along. Move along.

Ken
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