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Old 11-13-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Where do you think the indians came from? They didn't sprout up out of the ground like corn. They migrated across the Bering Strait. Comparing life and the rules back then to our modern times is a bit of a stretch. Glad you agree that the past is irrelevant today. So why did you start this conversation?
I started this conversation because the caucasian european came
over to this country for the same reasons that the current Latino
immigrant are coming over here...Economic Oppression...
Religious Oppression.....Political Oppression....

 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:15 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Another interesting point ArizonaBear. You bring good thoughts to this post. However, many would say the Euros (Spaniards) were barbaric too. Raping women, killing the men. The Catholic priests who forced indians into changing religions or face death. They didn't need to do dirty work by ripping hearts out...the swords and bullets did a cleaner job.
Hence my comment about the Euros being bigger and badder 'Indians' 500 years ago.

And the sad irony is those victimized by the Spaniards embraced the latter's culture.

Although; in just the last 70 years, there was the Rape of Nanking, the Khmer Rouge as well as the Rwandan massacre---------all crimes committed by 'people of color' against their own kind. So, mass atrocities were not just a 'White' thing.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:17 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Default Native American Did Havev LAWS....................

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You're downplaying what the Natives went through. They didn't have laws, so it's okay. We have laws so it's not okay?
Where did you get the notion the Indians didn't have LAWS..that's interesting to say the least....
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I started this conversation because the caucasian european came
over to this country for the same reasons that the current Latino
immigrant are coming over here...Economic Oppression...
Religious Oppression.....Political Oppression....
And it is indeed high time for the oppressed (mostly 'brown') Latinos to demand their rights from their (mostly) White elite in Mexico, etc.

American Blacks fought for (and won) their Civil Rights here in the USA----------so precedent has been set.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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Hence my comment about the Euros being bigger and badder 'Indians' 500 years ago.

And the sad irony is those victimized by the Spaniards embraced the latter's culture.

Although; in just the last 70 years, there was the Rape of Nanking, the Khmer Rouge as well as the Rwandan massacre---------all crimes committed by 'people of color' against their own kind. So, mass atrocities were not just a 'White' thing.
I agree. We know that West Africans (tribe leaders and men of power), were the ones who went to the villages to gather their own people to sell to the Europeans. Which proves, there are good and bad in every people, no matter the race or religion.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:20 PM
 
Location: The State Of California
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Default No ONe Said So......................

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Hence my comment about the Euros being bigger and badder 'Indians' 500 years ago.

And the sad irony is those victimized by the Spaniards embraced the latter's culture.

Although; in just the last 70 years, there was the Rape of Nanking, the Khmer Rouge as well as the Rwandan massacre---------all crimes committed by 'people of color' against their own kind. So, mass atrocities were not just a 'White' thing.
Yeah no one is saying that it's a white thing..it's universal.....
 
Old 11-13-2009, 08:21 PM
 
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I started this conversation because the caucasian european came
over to this country for the same reasons that the current Latino
immigrant are coming over here...Economic Oppression...
Religious Oppression.....Political Oppression....
The reasons don't matter unless one does it the legal way. The current influx of Latino immigrants are mostly illegals. They aren't doing it the right way. I know of no clause in our immigration policies that automatically grants visas based on economic oppression.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 09:56 PM
 
Location: Houston, TX
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The reasons don't matter unless one does it the legal way. The current influx of Latino immigrants are mostly illegals. They aren't doing it the right way. I know of no clause in our immigration policies that automatically grants visas based on economic oppression.
It doesn't. But in all of American History, the driving force behind all immigration to the US has been economic, followed by freedom from non-democratic countries that oppressed basic freedoms of speech and religion. This is not new or exclusive to today's immigrants, both legal and not.
 
Old 11-13-2009, 10:21 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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If you want to go back in history, we kicked your butt fair and square on the San Jacinto River, after the last mass invasion.

Back for more, eh?
 
Old 11-13-2009, 11:05 PM
 
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I think the reason that some people take offense to current illegal immigration as opposed to the illegal immigration of yesteryear, is that today, such a concerted effort is made to embrace the latino culture of the majority of illegal immigrants. And it is, in the process, diluting and making native born Americans compromise the culture that they are accustomed to. If Im not mistaken, no such concerted effort was made to actually embrace and adapt to prior generations of illegal immigrants.
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