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There were no immigration laws when the first white Europeans came over here, so no they weren't illegals. Besides they are all dead now so what has that to do with those of us alive today and our right as a soverign nation to have and to enforce our immigration laws just as every other country in the world does?
That's not even anywhere close to reality....Indians or Native American did have LAWS and one of those LAWS was that the caucasian had to leave once they caught on to the fact that they were here to take their's land.I have a question for you what do you think the Indian wars were all about...Yeah they didn't have the superior technology to enforce the Native American LAWS , i'm talking about the Indians that caucasian couldn't stay over here , so there you have it. And By the way (you are right) it's irrevevant today.
That's not even anywhere close to reality....Indians or Native American did have LAWS and one of those LAWS was that the caucasian had to leave once they caught on to the fact that they were here to take their's land.I have a question for you what do you think the Indian wars were all about...Yeah they didn't have the superior technology to enforce the Native American LAWS , i'm talking about the Indians that caucasian couldn't stay over here , so there you have it. And By the way (you are right) it's irrevevant today.
Two quick notes here:
#1: different tribes arrived in what is now the New World at different times so; I can safely say that earlier groups of American Indians got dumped on by later ones prior to Columbus. Face it: the Whites were simply a group of bigger and badder 'Indians'.
#2: had it not been the Euros (both Anglo and Hispanic); the odds were extremely high that another ethnicity may have arrived here and subjugated the Indians i.e. the Japanese.
That's not even anywhere close to reality....Indians or Native American did have LAWS and one of those LAWS was that the caucasian had to leave once they caught on to the fact that they were here to take their's land.I have a question for you what do you think the Indian wars were all about...Yeah they didn't have the superior technology to enforce the Native American LAWS , i'm talking about the Indians that caucasian couldn't stay over here , so there you have it. And By the way (you are right) it's irrevevant today.
Where do you think the indians came from? They didn't sprout up out of the ground like corn. They migrated across the Bering Strait. Comparing life and the rules back then to our modern times is a bit of a stretch. Glad you agree that the past is irrelevant today. So why did you start this conversation?
Where do you think the indians came from? They didn't sprout up out of the ground like corn. They migrated across the Bering Strait. Comparing life and the rules back then to our modern times is a bit of a stretch. Glad you agree that the past is irrelevant today. So why did you start this conversation?
You're downplaying what the Natives went through. They didn't have laws, so it's okay. We have laws so it's not okay?
You're downplaying what the Natives went through. They didn't have laws, so it's okay. We have laws so it's not okay?
I didn't downplay anything. I didn't say it was ok either. What my main point was that the past is irrelevant under today's rules, governments and societies.
You're downplaying what the Natives went through. They didn't have laws, so it's okay. We have laws so it's not okay?
Unless you are willing to include the Aztecs, etc. as being perpetrators of atrocities against other 'indigenous' people as well----------branding just White (or Black) people as being guilty is inaccurate, to be polite.
Unless you are willing to include the Aztecs, etc. as being perpetrators of atrocities against other 'indigenous' people as well----------branding just White (or Black) people as being guilty is inaccurate, to be polite.
How much do we know about the Aztecs that the Spanish didn't write in order to justify their own atrocities of enslaving an entire race and moving into their land? Specifically by depicting them as savages?
Who on Earth would brand Black people as being guilty when they were brought to the Americas on ships and enslaved for hundreds of years by the British, Spanish, and Portuguese, and treated as less than human until 40 years ago?
was that some kind of emotional plea toward Blacks, and trying to draw the line of us vs. them?
Anyway, that's not the point. The discussion was about trying to justify what happened to the Native Americans at the hands of the British and Americans. You can't dodge it by saying "but..but.. look at what the brown people over here did! even stevens!"
How much do we know about the Aztecs that the Spanish didn't write in order to justify their own atrocities of enslaving an entire race and moving into their land? Specifically by depicting them as savages?
Who on Earth would brand Black people as being guilty when they were brought to the Americas on ships and enslaved for hundreds of years by the British, Spanish, and Portuguese, and treated as less than human until 40 years ago?
was that some kind of emotional plea toward Blacks, and trying to draw the line of us vs. them?
Anyway, that's not the point. The discussion was about trying to justify what happened to the Native Americans at the hands of the British and Americans. You can't dodge it by saying "but..but.. look at what the brown people over here did! even stevens!"
Cutting out the still beating human hearts out of their victims for 'religious' sacrifice is barbaric.
Needless to say: since all human beings are not only the same species and originated in Africa---------common sense would dictate that there were periods of savage warfare as well as longer intervals of peace. One big reason we no longer see wars in Europe (Yugoslavia notwithstanding) is due to the replacement level or below birthrates across the board over there.
#1: different tribes arrived in what is now the New World at different times so; I can safely say that earlier groups of American Indians got dumped on by later ones prior to Columbus. Face it: the Whites were simply a group of bigger and badder 'Indians'.
#2: had it not been the Euros (both Anglo and Hispanic); the odds were extremely high that another ethnicity may have arrived here and subjugated the Indians i.e. the Japanese.
Interesting point. However, who is to say that would've never happened? We are just assuming that the indians sooner or later would've been taken down.
Cutting out the still beating human hearts out of their victims for 'religious' sacrifice is barbaric.
Needless to say: since all human beings are not only the same species and originated in Africa---------common sense would dictate that there were periods of savage warfare as well as longer intervals of peace. One big reason we no longer see wars in Europe (Yugoslavia notwithstanding) is due to the replacement level or below birthrates across the board over there.
Another interesting point ArizonaBear. You bring good thoughts to this post. However, many would say the Euros (Spaniards) were barbaric too. Raping women, killing the men. The Catholic priests who forced indians into changing religions or face death. They didn't need to do dirty work by ripping hearts out...the swords and bullets did a cleaner job.
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