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Old 01-31-2010, 04:18 PM
 
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The fact is that Parkland Hospital in Dallas alone has a high rate of births from illegal aliens all on the taypayer dime and a scam of the 14th amendment.
Where there is a loophole, it will be abused.
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Old 01-31-2010, 06:46 PM
 
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The fact is that Parkland Hospital in Dallas alone has a high rate of births from illegal aliens all on the taypayer dime and a scam of the 14th amendment.
Now your changing the subject to the 14 ammendment. No statictics were citied on births to illegal aliens. Now you want to ammend the 14th on what? conjecture and a hunch.
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Old 01-31-2010, 06:55 PM
 
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Now your changing the subject to the 14 ammendment. No statictics were citied on births to illegal aliens. Now you want to ammend the 14th on what? conjecture and a hunch.
Parkland Hospital knows with a high degree of accuracy that most of these births from Hispanics are from illegal aliens. The 14th amendment must be re-interpreted as those who wrote it intended it to be. Babies born from illegal aliens should not be granted birthright citizenship. No, it is not changing the subject either.
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Old 01-31-2010, 07:08 PM
 
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Parkland Hospital knows with a high degree of accuracy that most of these births from Hispanics are from illegal aliens. The 14th amendment must be re-interpreted as those who wrote it intended it to be. Babies born from illegal aliens should not be granted birthright citizenship. No, it is not changing the subject either.
All that has be cited here and attributed to Parkland officials is that in the FIRST THREE MONTHS OF 2006, 70% OF BIRTHS were to illegal immagrants. You dont know if that was 2 of 3 births, or 7-10 births or any other combination. Parkland didnt disclose the numbers, and you dont know the numbers. So, to characterize it as HIGH DEGREE is a claim you can not make.

But if you feel that the 14th ammendment should be ammended, that provision is there.
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Old 01-31-2010, 07:12 PM
 
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All I can say is this:

Supreme Court decisions

The correct interpretation of the 14th Amendment is that an illegal alien mother is subject to the jurisdiction of her native country, as is her baby.
Over a century ago, the Supreme Court appropriately confirmed this restricted interpretation of citizenship in the so-called "Slaughter-House cases" [83 US 36 (1873) and 112 US 94 (1884)]13. In the 1884 Elk v.Wilkins case12, the phrase "subject to its jurisdiction" was interpreted to exclude "children of ministers, consuls, and citizens of foreign states born within the United States." In Elk, the American Indian claimant was considered not an American citizen because the law required him to be "not merely subject in some respect or degree to the jurisdiction of the United States, but completely subject to their political jurisdiction and owing them direct and immediate allegiance."
The Court essentially stated that the status of the parents determines the citizenship of the child. To qualify children for birthright citizenship, based on the 14th Amendment, parents must owe "direct and immediate allegiance" to the U.S. and be "completely subject" to its jurisdiction. In other words, they must be United States citizens.
Congress subsequently passed a special act to grant full citizenship to American Indians, who were not citizens even through they were born within the borders of the United States. The Citizens Act of 1924, codified in 8USCSß1401, provides that:
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(a) a person born in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe.
In 1889, the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case10,11 once again, in a ruling based strictly on the 14th Amendment, concluded that the status of the parents was crucial in determining the citizenship of the child. The current misinterpretation of the 14th Amendment is based in part upon the presumption that the Wong Kim Ark ruling encompassed illegal aliens. In fact, it did not address the children of illegal aliens and non-immigrant aliens, but rather determined an allegiance for legal immigrant parents based on the meaning of the word domicil(e). Since it is inconceivable that illegal alien parents could have a legal domicile in the United States, the ruling clearly did not extend birthright citizenship to children of illegal alien parents. Indeed, the ruling strengthened the original intent of the 14th Amendment.
The original intent of the 14th Amendment was clearly not to facilitate illegal aliens defying U.S. law and obtaining citizenship for their offspring, nor obtaining benefits at taxpayer expense. Current estimates indicate there may be between 300,000 and 700,000 anchor babies born each year in the U.S., thus causing illegal alien mothers to add more to the U.S. population each year than immigration from all sources in an average year before 1965. (See consequences)

Anchor babies have no rights.
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Old 01-31-2010, 07:14 PM
 
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I don't care if the young teen illegals girls, are having babies in Texas or California, or any other State. Or young American teen girls, getting pregnant at will, and at such early ages even at 14. The situatuion at hand, is sad in itself. There probably will not be the Father's of these babies and young children, to be around and help in raising the children. Every one will have there own take on Illegal teens, having babies in the States, and i for one do not want to fit the bill. Something drastically has to be done, education sexual education classes, what ever it takes, for these young girls, to realize that having babies, at such a young age, without the Fathers to help in rearing the children, is not something they should want to do. My daugther is grown age almost 26 going to college and works in a department store part time. Most of her friends, naturally are younger girls, from 17 to 21. They are mexicans, the majortiy a couple black, and 3 young white teens. Guess what they all have babies, barely making enough to feed there children, complain about not being able to pay there bills, make there mortgage payments, and some don't have health care. Of course only 3 have the boyfriends, around to help with the babies. My daughter cannot understand there logic, never went thru this problem with my daughter. These young teens, see nothing wrong with wanting to have a baby, even though they know, the Father will not be around, i don't understand, nor does she, what is the answer, does any one know. Illegal teens, i really don't know what we could or should do with them, as far as American girls, getting pregnant, what can we do to stop this epdimec.
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Old 01-31-2010, 08:00 PM
 
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All that has be cited here and attributed to Parkland officials is that in the FIRST THREE MONTHS OF 2006, 70% OF BIRTHS were to illegal immagrants. You dont know if that was 2 of 3 births, or 7-10 births or any other combination. Parkland didnt disclose the numbers, and you dont know the numbers. So, to characterize it as HIGH DEGREE is a claim you can not make.

But if you feel that the 14th ammendment should be ammended, that provision is there.
•72 percent of Dallas' immigrants are from Mexico. The national average is 28 percent.


•82 percent of births at Parkland Hospital are Hispanic, and 40 percent of their parents are illegal immigrants.


•Unreimbursed state Medicaid expenditures for illegal immigrants in 2000: $18.1 million; in 2005: $38.7 million. That's an increase of 114.3 percent.


SOURCES: Texas comptroller's office; data compiled by DFW International from various studies
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/…
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Old 01-31-2010, 08:00 PM
 
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I don't care if the young teen illegals girls, are having babies in Texas or California, or any other State. Or young American teen girls, getting pregnant at will, and at such early ages even at 14. The situation at hand, is sad in itself. There probably will not be the Father's of these babies and young children, to be around and help in raising the children. Every one will have there own take on Illegal teens, having babies in the States, and i for one do not want to fit the bill. Something drastically has to be done, education sexual education classes, what ever it takes, for these young girls, to realize that having babies, at such a young age, without the Fathers to help in rearing the children, is not something they should want to do. My daugther is grown age almost 26 going to college and works in a department store part time. Most of her friends, naturally are younger girls, from 17 to 21. They are mexicans, the majortiy a couple black, and 3 young white teens. Guess what they all have babies, barely making enough to feed there children, complain about not being able to pay there bills, make there mortgage payments, and some don't have health care. Of course only 3 have the boyfriends, around to help with the babies. My daughter cannot understand there logic, never went thru this problem with my daughter. These young teens, see nothing wrong with wanting to have a baby, even though they know, the Father will not be around, i don't understand, nor does she, what is the answer, does any one know. Illegal teens, i really don't know what we could or should do with them, as far as American girls, getting pregnant, what can we do to stop this epdimec.
If the motives are to just become a citizen of here, thats a disgrace and proof of moralistic character.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:50 AM
 
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•72 percent of Dallas' immigrants are from Mexico. The national average is 28 percent.


•82 percent of births at Parkland Hospital are Hispanic, and 40 percent of their parents are illegal immigrants.


•Unreimbursed state Medicaid expenditures for illegal immigrants in 2000: $18.1 million; in 2005: $38.7 million. That's an increase of 114.3 percent.


SOURCES: Texas comptroller's office; data compiled by DFW International from various studies
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/…
Expect to hear the crickets chirp for a while - I doubt the poster will have a rebuttal to this with any amount of merit.
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Old 02-01-2010, 11:53 AM
 
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If the motives are to just become a citizen of here, thats a disgrace and proof of an unsavory moralistic character.
just had to fix that...
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