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Old 06-27-2013, 07:17 PM
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And salaries would go up as ten million unemployed find jobs creating pressure to paymore, to get better qualified individuals..
You know, now that I think about it, all the griping and moaning about Walmart and fast food being low wage would most likely be cured as their worker pool dried up. We saw it when we lived in MT. In quick succession several businesses opened up reducing the labor pool to the point where the only unemployed people were those that A.didn't want to work B. Couldn't pass a drug screen. This quickly forced a pay hike for everyone in the valley as Lowes,Home Depot, a shopping center and new Costco opened.
Starting wage at McDonalds shot up to $15 hr and Walmart had to jump starting wages by a buck or two and hour and give an across the board raise to keep workers.
Heck, the local 18 screen movie theater was paying $12 per hour and advertising about how you'd get to bring your family to the movies for free.

Wages are all about supply and demand. Reduce supply, wages will rise until they get filled.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:02 PM
 
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Good. I don't care what side you are on. The economic ramifications of sending all the illegals home are enormous. We'd go straight into another recession, possibly worse.
This is unsupported hyperbole.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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Thank God for the House GOP.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:24 PM
 
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Good. I don't care what side you are on. The economic ramifications of sending all the illegals home are enormous. We'd go straight into another recession, possibly worse.
???? That's absurd -- their own country is doing much much better with them gone. Our economy is in terrible shape with millions of the most impoverished uneducated pouring over the border to get in our government handouts. They can't afford our high cost of living with their less than third grade educations and inability to ever learn our language.
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Old 06-27-2013, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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It does but it's dead in the House, hopefully. Besides Obama isn't enforcing the law anyway
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Old 06-27-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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Doubtful, though unemployment would drop like a rock.
I don't agree with doubtful, but you might be correct about unemployment. But the question remains. At what cost? I'll answer below.

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Do you have some link or reference to back up this statement?
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Haha, it would create so many dam jobs that our economy would explode while cutting down on the amount we spend on welfare.. The new Democratic spin, creating jobs = a recession..
Create what jobs? The jobs are already there. Remember what happened when we scared off all the migrants?

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Please adjust her tin hat to the proper frequency.
And here's where I will begin. According to chron.com, it costs $12,500 to deport one person. ICE reveals cost for deporting each illegal immigrant | Immigration Chronicles | a Chron.com blog According to Statisticians Claim There Are 11 Million Illegal Immigrants in the U.S. — But How Did They Get That Figure? | TheBlaze.com which is most certainly a right leaning website, there are 11 million illegals in this country. 11 million times 13,000 (I adjusted conservatively for inflation) is equal to 143,000,000,000. According to FAIR, illegals cost 113,000,000,000 a year. From that alone, we are 30 billion dollar in the red. This does not take into account all the job losses. If we deport every illegal, we remove 3.6 percent of the population. Therefore, 144,000 teachers are out of work. If we assume every teacher would get the 400 dollars a week for 26 weeks, 1,497,600,000 is lost. Now we are at about 31.5 billion. This is excluding the rest of the people that would lose their jobs as a result of losing 3.6 percent of the population. They will all collect unemployment. We would need less of everyone. And as stated above, farmers lost a lot when we scared off migrants the previous year. To deport every illegal would destroy the farm industry. The government would have to pick up the slack, which would cost billions upon billions.

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???? That's absurd -- their own country is doing much much better with them gone. Our economy is in terrible shape with millions of the most impoverished uneducated pouring over the border to get in our government handouts. They can't afford our high cost of living with their less than third grade educations and inability to ever learn our language.
Millions? Even Fox says you are wrong. http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/USCostStudy_2010.pdf
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Old 06-28-2013, 06:49 AM
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I don't agree with doubtful, but you might be correct about unemployment. But the question remains. At what cost? I'll answer below.



I will in a moment.



Create what jobs? The jobs are already there. Remember what happened when we scared off all the migrants?



And here's where I will begin. According to chron.com, it costs $12,500 to deport one person. ICE reveals cost for deporting each illegal immigrant | Immigration Chronicles | a Chron.com blog According to Statisticians Claim There Are 11 Million Illegal Immigrants in the U.S. — But How Did They Get That Figure? | TheBlaze.com which is most certainly a right leaning website, there are 11 million illegals in this country. 11 million times 13,000 (I adjusted conservatively for inflation) is equal to 143,000,000,000. According to FAIR, illegals cost 113,000,000,000 a year. From that alone, we are 30 billion dollar in the red. This does not take into account all the job losses. If we deport every illegal, we remove 3.6 percent of the population. Therefore, 144,000 teachers are out of work. If we assume every teacher would get the 400 dollars a week for 26 weeks, 1,497,600,000 is lost. Now we are at about 31.5 billion. This is excluding the rest of the people that would lose their jobs as a result of losing 3.6 percent of the population. They will all collect unemployment. We would need less of everyone. And as stated above, farmers lost a lot when we scared off migrants the previous year. To deport every illegal would destroy the farm industry. The government would have to pick up the slack, which would cost billions upon billions.



Millions? Even Fox says you are wrong. http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/USCostStudy_2010.pdf
Just one little thing. You need to add in the expense of those "400 teachers" that are now working due to people who shouldn't be here. Salary,benefits,facilities,staffing etc that would be gone under your scenario.
Those expenses alone would eat up any cost of unemployment/retraining.
We don't need to deport 'em, just enforce the law and make it impossible for 'em to gain employment unless they've got real papers. If it hurts an industry temporarily then so be it, they've enjoyed doing business illegally for far too long on others money.
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Old 06-28-2013, 07:06 AM
 
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Good. I don't care what side you are on. The economic ramifications of sending all the illegals home are enormous. We'd go straight into another recession, possibly worse.
What would the ramifications be of passing smaller bills that directly focus on things such as E-verify, and actually fixing what's broken with our immigration system instead of focus on rewarding illegals?
Your assumption is based upon the USA having to deport 11 million people. If you remove the ability for them to work and make life impossible for them, they will self deport. We have seen this already in states where they cracked down on illegals. They leave on their own. Do this nationwide and they will self deport.
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Old 06-28-2013, 07:07 AM
 
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I don't agree with doubtful, but you might be correct about unemployment. But the question remains. At what cost? I'll answer below.



I will in a moment.



Create what jobs? The jobs are already there. Remember what happened when we scared off all the migrants?



And here's where I will begin. According to chron.com, it costs $12,500 to deport one person. ICE reveals cost for deporting each illegal immigrant | Immigration Chronicles | a Chron.com blog According to Statisticians Claim There Are 11 Million Illegal Immigrants in the U.S. But How Did They Get That Figure? | TheBlaze.com which is most certainly a right leaning website, there are 11 million illegals in this country. 11 million times 13,000 (I adjusted conservatively for inflation) is equal to 143,000,000,000. According to FAIR, illegals cost 113,000,000,000 a year. From that alone, we are 30 billion dollar in the red. This does not take into account all the job losses. If we deport every illegal, we remove 3.6 percent of the population. Therefore, 144,000 teachers are out of work. If we assume every teacher would get the 400 dollars a week for 26 weeks, 1,497,600,000 is lost. Now we are at about 31.5 billion. This is excluding the rest of the people that would lose their jobs as a result of losing 3.6 percent of the population. They will all collect unemployment. We would need less of everyone. And as stated above, farmers lost a lot when we scared off migrants the previous year. To deport every illegal would destroy the farm industry. The government would have to pick up the slack, which would cost billions upon billions.



Millions? Even Fox says you are wrong. http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/USCostStudy_2010.pdf
Are you not aware that only 3% of illegals are working in the agricultural industry? Even for those jobs there are unlimited H-2A visas for legal, foreign ag workers. So why the need for illegals to do those jobs? It is simple greed on the part of the growers.

When you factor in all the billions for the social costs of these illegals, the remittances they send back home and don't spend in our economy, the lost jobs and reduced wages for Americans no they are not a benefit to our economy. It is quite the opposite.
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Old 06-28-2013, 03:24 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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So, does this bill let illegal aliens who broke our laws, stay?

While keeping out the people who applied legally and are waiting patiently to get in?
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