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Old 07-21-2013, 07:09 PM
 
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Of course it is, that's what "amnesty" means and of course the reward of US citizenship for having broken the laws of this country is very much a free pass. Come here illegally, commit felony document fraud, steal a social security number, evade taxes --- no problem. As unbelieveable as it might seem, they're planning to reward drunken drivers, tax evaders, those who stole identities of Americans, child support deadbeats, shoplifters and all the rest with legal status and later US citizenship.
Wrong. A free pass or amnesty for those who came here illegally would be mean they get citizenship without any stipulations. Those who came here illegally would have to pay fines, taxes, learn English, have a clean criminal record, and have to wait about 13 years to get citizenship. That's not a free pass or amnesty. If you think it is, you clearly don't have a basic grasp of the definition of the word amnesty.
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:21 PM
 
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Wrong. A free pass or amnesty for those who came here illegally would be mean they get citizenship without any stipulations. Those who came here illegally would have to pay fines, taxes, learn English, have a clean criminal record, and have to wait about 13 years to get citizenship. That's not a free pass or amnesty. If you think it is, you clearly don't have a basic grasp of the definition of the word amnesty.
Wrong. Anything other than making them return to their homelands and wait in line behind immigrants that have already applied to come here legally is amnesty.

If you think any of those so-called penalties would be monitored for compliance then you aren't dealing in reality. As for having a clean criminal record would that include having committed felony ID theft in your opinion? Or should they get a pass on that also?
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Old 07-21-2013, 07:38 PM
 
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Wrong. Anything other than making them return to their homelands and wait in line behind immigrants that have already applied to come here legally is amnesty.

If you think any of those so-called penalties would be monitored for compliance then you aren't dealing in reality. As for having a clean criminal record would that include having committed felony ID theft in your opinion? Or should they get a pass on that also?
Wrong. You can disagree with having a pathway to citizenship in the bill, but you don't get to change the definition of amnesty to fit your political bias. The penalties and waiting period for those who apply for citizenship are clearly not amnesty. What Reagan did the last time around on immigration was actually amnesty. What's in the Senate bill is clearly not amnesty.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:01 PM
 
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It's not a free pass.
How is it not?
They violated our laws, no consequences.
They have committed crimes that would get any legal immigrant deported. No consequences.
They are not held to the same standard as legals. They dont have to follow the same path, jump through the same hoops or wait their turn like all legals had to do.
It is an absolute free pass.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:03 PM
 
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Wrong. A free pass or amnesty for those who came here illegally would be mean they get citizenship without any stipulations. Those who came here illegally would have to pay fines, taxes, learn English, have a clean criminal record, and have to wait about 13 years to get citizenship. That's not a free pass or amnesty. If you think it is, you clearly don't have a basic grasp of the definition of the word amnesty.
Do they go to jail for ID theft/ fraud? Do they go to jail for tax evasion/ fraud?

I didn't think so. Do I get a free pass for these crimes? No I don't think so.
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Old 07-21-2013, 08:51 PM
 
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Wrong. You can disagree with having a pathway to citizenship in the bill, but you don't get to change the definition of amnesty to fit your political bias. The penalties and waiting period for those who apply for citizenship are clearly not amnesty. What Reagan did the last time around on immigration was actually amnesty. What's in the Senate bill is clearly not amnesty.
I've got an idea: how about NO amnesty except for SOME Dream Act people who can PROVE being in the US under age 14 AND have NEVER had anything to do with the cops including jaywalking tickets. The rest would need to leave the US. That'd get rid of over 95 percent of illegal aliens right there.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:44 PM
 
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How is it not?
They violated our laws, no consequences.
They have committed crimes that would get any legal immigrant deported. No consequences.
They are not held to the same standard as legals. They dont have to follow the same path, jump through the same hoops or wait their turn like all legals had to do.
It is an absolute free pass.
How is not a free pass?

Because they will be penalized. It's not that hard to do a quick google search to figure out what the Senate bill is about.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:47 PM
 
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I've got an idea: how about NO amnesty except for SOME Dream Act people who can PROVE being in the US under age 14 AND have NEVER had anything to do with the cops including jaywalking tickets. The rest would need to leave the US. That'd get rid of over 95 percent of illegal aliens right there.
I agree. We shouldn't give amnesty to those who came here illegally. That's why I support the Senate bill. It doesn't give amnesty to those who came here illegally.
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Old 07-21-2013, 09:58 PM
 
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How is not a free pass?

Because they will be penalized. It's not that hard to do a quick google search to figure out what the Senate bill is about.
Same penalty as a legal would receive???????
A legal would be deported.
A legal applicant would be disqualified for these crimes.
Yes it is a free pass because they dont face the same consequences that a citizen would or a legal applicant would.
Let me put it another way.
2 people get pulled over for speeding. One has a license to drive and is insured. Fine is $150.00
one has no license, no insurance. Fine is $5.00, insurance discount and a license without taking the test.
although not completely free it is certainly more reward than penalty.
Illegals have violated a host of crimes. Most of which including working without a permit would get a legal immigrant deported, possibly banned from re-entry. Yes they are getting a free pass.
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:01 PM
 
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Same penalty as a legal would receive???????
A legal would be deported.
A legal applicant would be disqualified for these crimes.
Yes it is a free pass because they dont face the same consequences that a citizen would or a legal applicant would.
So would someone here illegally if found guilty. So what's your point?
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