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Old 07-13-2013, 12:45 PM
 
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More correctly, at least one of the parents is an illegal alien (the same source, the Pew Hispanic Center, has also attributed that the other parent has a higher likelihood of being a U.S. citizen or Legal Permanent Resident). It is also 2008 data. Analyzing that information in its true light is much more helpful:





Source? I had always heard the percentages were closer. Speculation, especially considering your reputation of past wild claims, is just misleading. Here is the original report from Pew Hispanic: Unauthorized Immigrants and Their U.S.-Born Children | Pew Hispanic Center



Contrasted with other responses like this, it becomes amusing to consider that the "foreign-born" (legal and illegal immigration) produces 23% of the children under the age of 18:



Pew Hispanic identifies that more than half of illegal immigrant mothers have been in the United States longer than five years. Responses are cherry-picking data without showing the bigger picture, and giving misleading speculations. You know what is said about opinions, but it seems not very many want to provide a reliable source to back up their assumptions.
More correctly -- virtually none of the illegals pay for their maternity stay and virtually all will get food stamps and Medicaid for their kids because even if the father is a citizen, they aren't paying for their children.

All estimates on illegals are guesses, including yours -- remember the same government that cannot find them to deport them, cannot find them to count them.

It's very possible with the huge rewards for giving birth here, that 2/3 of illegals here are women getting in on the welfare handouts, being able to give birth comes with very nice rewards, once they give birth, they never need to worry about working for a living again and it's a free pass around the immigration laws.
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Old 07-13-2013, 01:33 PM
 
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More correctly -- virtually none of the illegals pay for their maternity stay and virtually all will get food stamps and Medicaid for their kids because even if the father is a citizen, they aren't paying for their children...
More statements without any source. As you have stated, there are more illegal alien fathers than mothers. It is more likely that the other parent is a U.S. citizen or Legal Permanent Resident. Are you saying a U.S. citizen mother shouldn't be able to access the same services if the father is an illegal alien?

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...All estimates on illegals are guesses, including yours -- remember the same government that cannot find them to deport them, cannot find them to count them.

It's very possible with the huge rewards for giving birth here, that 2/3 of illegals here are women getting in on the welfare handouts, being able to give birth comes with very nice rewards, once they give birth, they never need to worry about working for a living again and it's a free pass around the immigration laws.
You're inverting your own numbers when it doesn't work out mathematically for your stories. At least be consistent with what you are trying to represent. "Anchor baby" is a false term when an illegal alien has more chance of eventually correcting their immigration status by their spouse instead.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:16 PM
 
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IMO, the focus should be on the fact that there are illegal mothers and fathers reproducing on our soil on our dime and able to tap into our welfare coffers through these kids regardless of what the numbers are. End birthright citizenship for kids born on our soil in this manner and we will save billions of tax dollars and put respect back into what it means to be a citizen of this country.
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Old 07-13-2013, 02:50 PM
 
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Anchor babies I would imagine. They rush over the border, squat & start popping children. The more babies, the bigger the check. It's enough to make you want to puke.
Anchor babies are not illegal. Don't know where you get your facts from.
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Old 07-13-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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More statements without any source. As you have stated, there are more illegal alien fathers than mothers. It is more likely that the other parent is a U.S. citizen or Legal Permanent Resident. Are you saying a U.S. citizen mother shouldn't be able to access the same services if the father is an illegal alien?



You're inverting your own numbers when it doesn't work out mathematically for your stories. At least be consistent with what you are trying to represent. "Anchor baby" is a false term when an illegal alien has more chance of eventually correcting their immigration status by their spouse instead.
Show me your solid sources that most illegal women are having children with US citizen fathers. Even all those who came here already pregnant.

You are inventing your own numbers -- if these were all about marriages to US citizens, then ask yourself why the citizen never made any effort to legally sponsor his/her spouse like you did. You of all people should know that a citizen can sponsor their foreign spouse.

It's fine with me that US citizens legally sponsor a spouse -- but if and only if the US citizen provides all the financial support for their spouse, including access to all his/her bank accounts and provides his/her immigrant with a solid health insurance plan.

One very needed reform is that duration of the marriage -- the USA sponsor should be required to continue providing the financial costs of his/her immigrant even if the marriage fails in a year or two.
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:32 PM
 
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Show me your solid sources that most illegal women are having children with US citizen fathers. Even all those who came here already pregnant...
The Pew Hispanic source that I am using was already provided in a previous response, how did you miss it? It is the original source of the 8% number you misrepresented. The same report gives the data about 80% of illegal alien mothers being here at least a year before the birth (a "solid" source that conflicts with your unsourced opinion that anywhere near a majority come here pregnant), more than half here longer than five years (far beyond the gestation of even an elephant).

You make the claim for me to show "solid sources", but you are still fielding your unsourced statements, what all is that about?...

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...You are inventing your own numbers -- if these were all about marriages to US citizens, then ask yourself why the citizen never made any effort to legally sponsor his/her spouse like you did. You of all people should know that a citizen can sponsor their foreign spouse...
The claim that an illegal alien parent is more likely to be in a relationship with a U.S. citizen or Legal Permanent Resident isn't my opinion - It is in the same report that you used for the information that 8% of all births in the United States have at least one illegal alien parent (do you want to cherry-pick one data point, ignoring all the rest, because you apparently haven't read the entire report?). Processing for an illegal alien spouse is an expensive and lengthy journey, that often requires the experience of an immigration lawyer to be successful. Many in that situation aren't even aware that there is a legal route out, or have the resources to do it.

My spouse was never an illegal alien, and she complied with all of the terms of the visas she had before to visit the United States...

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...It's fine with me that US citizens legally sponsor a spouse -- but if and only if the US citizen provides all the financial support for their spouse, including access to all his/her bank accounts and provides his/her immigrant with a solid health insurance plan...
You are also inventing your own rules, why does an immigrant have to follow your instructions instead of the true requirements?...

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...One very needed reform is that duration of the marriage -- the USA sponsor should be required to continue providing the financial costs of his/her immigrant even if the marriage fails in a year or two.
More posturing, just accept that you don't have any ability to change the system to what you want it to be...
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:38 PM
 
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Anchor babies are not illegal. Don't know where you get your facts from.
I even think the intended word was "pooping", doubling-up the wrong letter for a misspelling. Read it through, which variation makes more sense grammatically? If I am correct, it really makes someone wonder why a birth is equated to a bowel movement:

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Anchor babies I would imagine. They rush over the border, squat & start popping children. The more babies, the bigger the check. It's enough to make you want to puke.
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:42 PM
 
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IMO, the focus should be on the fact that there are illegal mothers and fathers reproducing on our soil on our dime and able to tap into our welfare coffers through these kids regardless of what the numbers are. End birthright citizenship for kids born on our soil in this manner and we will save billions of tax dollars and put respect back into what it means to be a citizen of this country.
Great idea, make every child born here stateless...
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Old 07-13-2013, 06:55 PM
 
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Great idea, make every child born here stateless...
And throw every illegal parent out of the country.
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Old 07-13-2013, 08:09 PM
 
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Great idea, make every child born here stateless...
Stateless? They should have the citizenship of the homeland of their parents. Most countries in the world do not allot birthright citizenship to kids of illegals. How do they handle it? Are they stateless? I don't think so! Why should children of illegals be our problem in the first place? It makes a mockery of our citizenship to gain birthright citizenship by their parents breaking our immigration laws.
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