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Old 07-14-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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Seems like the whole discussion on the subject of illegal immigration focuses on the issue of "border security". The Senate put in gobs of money for new border agents and more fences. I think it is all a waste of effort. Border security is NOT the major issue. It is already hard to sneak over the US border now. It is well fenced and patrolled in urban areas. Most people who sneak across now do so in the middle of rural desert areas. Many of them are found dead all the time. And no matter how high we build a fence, as long as there are JOBS over here waiting, they will find a way to sneak in. 40% of them came here legally on visas and just never went back home. No fence will stop that. What should be concentrated on is what is the enticement for people to sneak into the country. It is JOBS and jobs provided by EMPLOYERS. Yet I have not heard of any employer sanctions in this bill. Are there any?
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Old 07-14-2013, 05:54 PM
 
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Seems like the whole discussion on the subject of illegal immigration focuses on the issue of "border security". The Senate put in gobs of money for new border agents and more fences. I think it is all a waste of effort. Border security is NOT the major issue. It is already hard to sneak over the US border now. It is well fenced and patrolled in urban areas. Most people who sneak across now do so in the middle of rural desert areas. Many of them are found dead all the time. And no matter how high we build a fence, as long as there are JOBS over here waiting, they will find a way to sneak in. 40% of them came here legally on visas and just never went back home. No fence will stop that. What should be concentrated on is what is the enticement for people to sneak into the country. It is JOBS and jobs provided by EMPLOYERS. Yet I have not heard of any employer sanctions in this bill. Are there any?
True. And the Senate bill doesn't address any of that. Many illegals also just buy those border crossing cards off the black market as you can find them being sold on the streets of any border town. The vendors will even try to help the buyer match the picture on the card better, then they come through the legal port of entry, someone picks up the card once they're in the US so it can be used over and over. The illegal is then free to go wherever in the USA or do whatever he pleases.

A legal border crossing card aka laser visa costs only $149 and absolutely nothing is being done with those who abuse the terms of it.

The bill is as much an amnesty for those who break the labor laws of the USA and hire illegals -- no punishment whatsoever for them.
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Old 07-14-2013, 07:15 PM
 
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As for the double-layered fence it has proven to work. In a several mile section on the San Diego border it has cut down illegal entry immensely. Besides it isn't just migrants looking for work that we have to worry about but terrorists and criminals getting through also. They aren't looking for jobs.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:29 PM
 
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Seems like the whole discussion on the subject of illegal immigration focuses on the issue of "border security". The Senate put in gobs of money for new border agents and more fences. I think it is all a waste of effort. Border security is NOT the major issue. It is already hard to sneak over the US border now. It is well fenced and patrolled in urban areas. Most people who sneak across now do so in the middle of rural desert areas. Many of them are found dead all the time. And no matter how high we build a fence, as long as there are JOBS over here waiting, they will find a way to sneak in. 40% of them came here legally on visas and just never went back home. No fence will stop that. What should be concentrated on is what is the enticement for people to sneak into the country. It is JOBS and jobs provided by EMPLOYERS. Yet I have not heard of any employer sanctions in this bill. Are there any?
I'm still waiting as to why the rank-and0file conservative voter does not demand tough employer sanctions. Instead, we have to dabble in loser arguments designed to never be implemented like the border fence. It's so much cheaper, much faster, much more effective, and much more reliable, to go after the source of the problem. Instead, too many people concentrate on the symptoms. Until those people get their heads screwed on tight, expect the accusations of racism to be freely flowing. It almost seems like racism is a big motivation for making the ugly brown people uncomfortable and punishing them instead of the (white) people bringing them here.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:51 PM
 
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I'm still waiting as to why the rank-and0file conservative voter does not demand tough employer sanctions. Instead, we have to dabble in loser arguments designed to never be implemented like the border fence. It's so much cheaper, much faster, much more effective, and much more reliable, to go after the source of the problem. Instead, too many people concentrate on the symptoms. Until those people get their heads screwed on tight, expect the accusations of racism to be freely flowing. It almost seems like racism is a big motivation for making the ugly brown people uncomfortable and punishing them instead of the (white) people bringing them here.
Uh; I def want to see E verify the law all through the US.

FYI: many of your "ugly brown people" are also hired by other "ugly brown people" here in the US. That's right: many Hispanic employers like their illegal aliens from LatAm because they can screw them over. That WON'T work with OUR "brown" people because they're US citizens.

Too; even the pasty white skin illegal aliens I want OUT of the US.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:15 PM
 
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As for the double-layered fence it has proven to work. In a several mile section on the San Diego border it has cut down illegal entry immensely. Besides it isn't just migrants looking for work that we have to worry about but terrorists and criminals getting through also. They aren't looking for jobs.
True but the money is here. People can get more offering their "products" or "services" here.
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Old 07-14-2013, 11:57 PM
 
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Uh; I def want to see E verify the law all through the US.

FYI: many of your "ugly brown people" are also hired by other "ugly brown people" here in the US. That's right: many Hispanic employers like their illegal aliens from LatAm because they can screw them over. That WON'T work with OUR "brown" people because they're US citizens.

Too; even the pasty white skin illegal aliens I want OUT of the US.
E-Verify is not punishing employers. If it does, it definitely doesn't punitively punish them. Why are you against punitive punishments towards employers that hires illegals? You want to do everything else BUT bankrupt employers that hire them. Why?
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Old 07-15-2013, 05:57 AM
 
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True but the money is here. People can get more offering their "products" or "services" here.
What does that have to do with building a fence? We would still have legal ports of entry.
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Old 07-15-2013, 07:24 AM
 
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E-Verify is not punishing employers. If it does, it definitely doesn't punitively punish them. Why are you against punitive punishments towards employers that hires illegals? You want to do everything else BUT bankrupt employers that hire them. Why?
Ok; did I say I was "against" bigger punishments of crooked employers? I'd def have NO problem with tossing their greedy butts in prison AND fining them too.
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Old 07-15-2013, 08:35 AM
 
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True but the money is here. People can get more offering their "products" or "services" here.
Then why would we make them Citizens if all they want is money?
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