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Old 07-26-2013, 03:52 PM
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Audioque View Post
Not exactly. Physically crossing the border would be considered a federal "crime". Overstaying your visa is not a crime but a misdemeanor. There is no "criminal" law against being in the States illegally.
Lets straighten you out.

An EWI is a Federal Misdemeanor Class 4, a second EWI is a Federal Felony Class 6.

Overstaying a visa is an Immigration Violation.

Being found within the US is not criminal in itself, however once found can be prosecuted by the IJ and have the punishment based on either a violation (VO) or criminal (EWI) act. Both render deportation and ban from re-entry, however the EWI is also prone to jail time and fine.

Old 07-26-2013, 03:57 PM
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
The issue I have is people that focus on one woman being attacked at a 7-11 by one illegal immigrant, one of the largest crime issues we have is gangs with residency status. If they really wanted to do something about illegal immigration they would address the employers of this individual, exporting each back to their country of origin is not reasonable. The point is we turn a blind eye to businesses that employ these people, one woman attacked at a 7-11 is not the issue.
How does the employer determine if the papers the illegal provided are genuine or not? All the employer has to do is meet the requirements of the I-9 form and have copies of those documents in the employee file in case of an audit. New hires have their SS #'s sent in, if those numbers come back clean then what? Your comment doesn't touch on anything other than hyperbole and pointing the blame elsewhere.

When will the illegal be held responsible for using the fake/forged/stolen/used family members documents?

Any crime committed by an illegal is 100% avoidable, if the Fed Govt would enforce the laws.
Old 07-26-2013, 04:02 PM
Location: California
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Originally Posted by Californian34 View Post
yep. if people really cared about undocumented immigrants they would scrap the xenophobia and paranoia and advocate for laws that penalize employers and landlords who rent to undocumented immigrants.
THats nice and all, but....... do you even know what he laws are for employers? If an illegal submits documents the employer must accept them even if they are unsure of the validity of the documents. Look up the I-9 and see what the requirements are. Landlords are the same, the can request a SS #, but they can not deny based on not having an SS #. How about some proposals verse the hyperbole and fuax employer hysteria.

The only employer legitimacy you have are farmers hiring and paying cash, or home owners paying cash for day laborers, which then actually fall under State Employer Laws.
Old 07-26-2013, 06:38 PM
Location: Phoenix
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Originally Posted by LostInHouston View Post
By that theory, we should also close the border to foreign travelers, international students, foreign dignitaries/heads of state as a percentage of them all commit crimes as well. Obviously once we do that, our citizens will no longer be allowed to travel abroad at which point we'll be forced to become a completely self-sufficient nation... how very communist of you!
A. That's not his Theory, it's your opinion with no data to back it up. B. That also is a strawman argument
which is just another attempt to divert the topic. C. Your last statement is a complete fabrication (Who will
stop our citizen's from traveling abroad ?) that is ludicrous beyond belief. And E., you sound more like a
communist than he ever did.
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